How To Find a Wife in 2026 (Guest: Peter Sammons)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. Welcome back. [00:00:11] Speaker B: Good to be here. [00:00:12] Speaker A: We had you last year on the podcast for when you're here for Christmas and you're back again, so that's awesome. So you had a big year this year, huh? Yes, 2025 was a good one for you. [00:00:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I got married, so that was the best thing. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah. When was that? Okay. Yeah. Just kidding. Okay. So. And you also graduated. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Yes. [00:00:33] Speaker A: And you also start a new job. Very good. So how's married life? [00:00:37] Speaker B: It's great. [00:00:38] Speaker A: So when did you get married? Back in May. [00:00:41] Speaker B: Yes. You were there? [00:00:42] Speaker A: I was there. I was there. So. No, it was a beautiful wedding. It was awesome. It was at our parish in Cincinnati. And, yeah, it was just. Everything about was awesome. The reception was great. The wedding was just beautiful. And, yeah, it was a traditional Latin mass wedding. [00:00:58] Speaker B: Of course. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Of course. Of course. [00:01:01] Speaker B: What. What? [00:01:01] Speaker A: Are. [00:01:02] Speaker B: Are there other options or. [00:01:03] Speaker A: Come on now. Come on now. I guess so. I mean, your mom and I, we. We got married in a nice Novus Ordo ceremony, Mass, and 30 years ago, and look, it's all good. So. Okay, so what we want to talk about today is I have seen. I text you about this. I messaged you about a month or two ago about this. And it's this idea I've seen of young men particularly, but also young women, so your age, who are basically very cynical or even despairing of the possibility of finding a spouse. I've seen in particular young men, and they're just like. And these are usually traditional Catholic or, you know, very orthodox Catholic young men. And they're just like, it's impossible to find a wife. And so you obviously succeeded in finding a nice young Catholic woman who's awesome. And so we want to talk about how to find a wife. How does a young man, Catholic man today, actually find a wife, practically speaking? So I know when I sent you, it was hilarious because I messaged that to you about, like, you know, why am I hearing this? And you literally, like, within, like, very short time, you had a whole bullet list, and it's like, okay, this guy is prepared. He is. [00:02:24] Speaker B: It's because not only have I succeeded, but most, a good amount of my friends have as well. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Right? [00:02:30] Speaker B: So I've seen, you know, multiple different ways of it working out. [00:02:35] Speaker A: You're not an outlier. [00:02:36] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:02:37] Speaker A: Okay, so first, I just want to give you the three things you gave me. A why somebody. When somebody, a young man says. [00:02:48] Speaker B: You. [00:02:48] Speaker A: Know, it's impossible to find a wife, what are the. You gave me three reasons, typically, why they would not be Able to find one. What were. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah. So the number one reason is that they are a weirdo. They're just. And specifically, they might be just an actual weirdo who anyone would find strange, or it might be that, know, women in particular find them weird. I've had friends who I hang out with them, and I'm like, yeah, this is, you know, my guy. He's. I like hanging out with them. He seems totally normal. And then I'll talk to my wife or some of her friends and they're like, he's kind of like, we don't think he's normal. Like, he's kind of weird around us. So I think sometimes some guys just either don't have a lot of experience or have never been taught sort of how to act around women, and that can be a problem. Another reason that you may have that. [00:03:45] Speaker A: Problem with six sisters. [00:03:46] Speaker B: I did not have that problem though. But I mean, yeah, it's. Having sisters is nice, but also just, you know, you have to be in social situations. But another thing, you also could be too online. You could be if you're. If you're too online as. Especially as a traditional Catholic, it comes off a certain way to. Especially to women. You know, if. If you're. If your conversation starting starter involves Boonini, I think you. You're a little bit too online, so you want to maybe pull back from that a little bit. But really, it's like, I think if, if. And I think this is. This is a smaller group. I think that is just kind of too weird. But it. The. The good news is it's probably. It's probably the easiest one to fix because you really just have to have more practice. Just go to the social things and actually try to talk to people and listen to them and, you know, kind of feel out. Talk to your friends who maybe are married. Feel out, okay, when am I being a little bit too strange? So that's. That's the first category. [00:05:03] Speaker A: So the first one is somebody just. I mean, the, the. Probably the more polite way to say is they're socially awkward around women. They might not be socially awkward around other men, but they're socially awkward women for whatever reason. It might be the personality might be just their experience of like, talking to young women. It might be the. The. If they're terminally online and so they don't have a lot of experience of like, because there's such a difference between being online and you can say a lot. But then also you're looking a young woman who you find attractive in the Eye. And you're like, oh, shoot, what do I do here? So, okay, so that's the first one. And like you said, we'll talk about how to fix these things in a little bit. But okay, so that one's probably the easiest to fix. Okay, what's the second reason? [00:05:41] Speaker B: So the second reason is that you are not. And I think this is one that I see people complaining about a lot is that. Or that this is their problem, is that you're not in a situation where there are any good women around you. And usually what this comes out as when they complain is there aren't any good women. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Right. [00:06:03] Speaker B: But it's usually if you haven't gone to a good Catholic college and you don't have a good parish around you, like a vibrant parish with a lot of families in it, because then, if. Because if, if you're in that situation, then there probably aren't that many that you can just easily find. You know, I've. I've talked to people who, you know, they went to just like the community college and in the local parish, there's, you know, two girls who are their age and, you know, tried to date both of them didn't work. Now they're. Now it's like, what do I do? So, I mean, that one I do sort of sympathize with the most because it is probably the most difficult to kind of see the way out. But at the same time, I think that that's why it's just really important. Even if you feel like, oh, like, I don't want to go to college because, you know, I don't need to, or I don't. I don't really want to move because my family's around here. Like, if your vocation is to get married, at a certain point, you have to put yourself in a situation where there are, you know, possible future spouses around you. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:07:14] Speaker B: Or else you're just going to be complaining forever. Yeah. [00:07:17] Speaker A: I mean, it really is. It's like a numbers game is what you're saying. You just want. You want a good number of women around, Catholic women around, so that, you know, you're not stuck with two like you said, and then all of a sudden, both of them, you strike on both of them, whatever. And so, like, I would think then. So you went to Franciscan University of Steubenville. So obviously there's good, good numbers there. Other colleges, like a Benedictine, Ave Maria, Thomas Aquinas, whatever. And I'd also think maybe a really large university like in Ohio State might have yeah. Now, you have other problems with college like that, but you might just your numbers. [00:07:55] Speaker B: I even know, like, a friend who went to. He went to Franciscan and then he went to Texas A and M. They have, like, a huge Catholic community. [00:08:03] Speaker A: Texas A and M. Yeah, definitely. [00:08:05] Speaker B: So, yeah, that's a good example as well. [00:08:07] Speaker A: And also, I would think, like, the challenge here is because I know there's a lot of Catholics, like, young men maybe, who want to, like, live in a small town. They want to live, you know, in. In a small community, maybe a farming community, something like that. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's beautiful, actually. But let's be realistic. Today. That probably also means you got limited choices. [00:08:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:32] Speaker A: I mean, you almost have to go out. I mean, I'm not trying to be crashing. Go out and find a wife and then come back. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:38] Speaker A: I mean, because you just can't necessarily find one there. So. Okay, so definitely Catholic college. And also, like you said, a good, strong parish that has not even, like. It's just a good parish has to have lots of families. [00:08:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:51] Speaker A: So there's actually young people. Because there's often a gap in so many parishes where you have under 18s and you have over 30s. [00:08:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:08:58] Speaker A: But, like, the 20s are like a wasteland. [00:09:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:01] Speaker A: In a lot of Kelly parishes, that's just. That's just the case. So. Okay, and what was the third reason, then? Men say they can't find a wife. [00:09:09] Speaker B: The third reason is the. The category that most of my single friends are in. [00:09:14] Speaker A: You're being called out if you're listening. [00:09:17] Speaker B: Which is that their standards are. Or not even their standards, but what they're looking for, sort of the feeling that they're looking for is kind of warped, and they've. So I feel like it's. People have bought into some sort of myth of, like, the popular love story where, you know, the true love is where you. You know, you meet and you lock eyes and, oh, you're in love, and then you just start dating, get married, and you never fight your whole life, and everything's just perfect and rosy. [00:09:53] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:53] Speaker B: And it's like. Because I've. I've heard my friends come back from dates and be like. Or even after dating a girl for a while and be like, you know, yeah, like, I really like her, but, you know, there's this one thing we aren't compatible on, and it just. It's really frustrating for me because it's like the. It's kind of. The whole part of the whole point is. Yeah, you. You Aren't compatible because you're a man and she's a woman. So already not compatible. [00:10:20] Speaker A: Yeah. But then you see the world differently. You're gonna, you know, react to things differently. It's not going to be exactly Right. Supposed to be complimentary. [00:10:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:27] Speaker A: So. Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker B: And then. But they. It seems like they act like, okay, it has to be, you know, perfect from day one to the day we die. And it's like, okay, that's never going to happen because of the human condition. We're fallen creatures. That's not going to happen. It's. It's not like you have to. And I. I hesitate to use the word standards, because obviously you need standards. [00:10:50] Speaker A: You want somewhat high standards. [00:10:52] Speaker B: But. But it is this thing where it's like. It's not like the standard of like, okay, she has to be. She has to be Catholic. She has to, you know, come from a good family. Like, that stuff is. That's where your standards should be. It shouldn't be like, okay, like, you. [00:11:11] Speaker A: Know, I don't like her taste in movies. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Stuff like that. Or just like, stuff like, okay, we fought one time and, you know, it sucked and now we have to break up. And it's like, well, you're never. You're never really gonna find anything if that's how high your standard is that you just have to be. The relationship just has to be perfect the whole time. [00:11:32] Speaker A: So now. Okay, I'll push back a little bit on that one. In that when you first start dating somebody, if it's going well, everything does seem perfect. [00:11:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, absolutely. [00:11:43] Speaker A: Like, that first, you know, how am I time. And so kind of what would be like. What would you say are like, the, the kind of the. Okay, this is a potential breakup situation versus, hey, this is just normal two people. No, two people are. Are perfectly aligned on everything. Like, at what point? Because I. I would think if you get an argument your first date, that's probably a no. [00:12:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:04] Speaker A: Right. I mean, you know, but like, so I. [00:12:07] Speaker B: There's two different times that I've seen, like, you know, my friends break up with girls that I thought it was kind of like, was that really necessary? And it's. It's happened. Like, they go on. They really like a girl. They go on a first date, and then the date goes great, and then they just don't go on any more dates. [00:12:29] Speaker A: Why? [00:12:29] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:12:30] Speaker A: And does he not ask her out? Like, does he just decide not to ask? [00:12:34] Speaker B: Yeah, he just decides not to ask her out again. And it's just like, well, you know, is this really the person I want to spend the rest of my life with? That kind of thing? And it's just like, you can't chicken out a little bit. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:46] Speaker B: And then the other thing is what I was talking about before, where they've been dating, and it's just sort of this. I don't know, I call it, I mean, a little bit, like, scared to propose, where it's like, you know, I like this girl, but, you know, our relationship isn't perfect. So like I was saying before. [00:13:04] Speaker A: Right, okay. [00:13:04] Speaker B: After you've had that first, like, honeymoon stage. [00:13:07] Speaker A: Right. Okay. Yes. So, I mean, after a first date, I would think you're only. I would think your only standard should be, was that an enjoyable time? Did I enjoy spending time with her? If I did? Yeah, let's do a second date. Right? [00:13:23] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:23] Speaker A: Is that kind of what you're thinking? Like, Yeah. I mean, because really, first date. I mean, I do think. And I think this is true at Steubenville, and it probably. It might be true in other Catholic communities because of the fact. Okay. So in the world outside the Catholic world, in the secular world, there's this idea that you just date to have fun. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:13:43] Speaker A: Whereas in good Catholic communities, there is the idea that you date to get married. But then I feel like there might be. It might put a little too much pressure on, like. [00:13:51] Speaker B: Okay, absolutely. [00:13:52] Speaker A: That first date, are we compatible with Mary? You just can't know that. [00:13:56] Speaker B: That's a lot of times what it is. [00:13:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:13:59] Speaker B: And also. Yeah, that's a really good point. How, how the whole, okay, we have to be dating for a marriage, which is good. But at the same time, it's kind of like it does put this pressure on where. When it seems like in some, like, circles, when the guy asks the girl out, it's like the mini proposal on the first date. Like, I know that this is how some of the girls view it, actually. [00:14:29] Speaker A: I knew that, too. [00:14:30] Speaker B: And. [00:14:30] Speaker A: And it's true in my day, too. [00:14:32] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like. Which is a little bit wild to me, actually. [00:14:36] Speaker A: I know, though I will say I know a couple that they've been married for over 30 years, happily married. And I know for a fact the. The. The. The young woman at the time, she thought that basically from the beginning. And they got married very quickly. I can't remember now what it was. And they've been happily married with lots of kids, and they're just. They're great. They're a great cat of the family. So it's like, you know, there's a little bit that. But I do think it's. Let's not go crazy. [00:15:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:02] Speaker A: The norm. I think that was just one of those where everything just worked out perfectly from the beginning. So. Okay, so like your standard win. Okay. [00:15:12] Speaker B: I mean, I will say this one. I have not, I haven't seen anybody like online or like, this is just. I've seen this at Franciscan. [00:15:22] Speaker A: Okay. [00:15:23] Speaker B: But I haven't seen that anywhere else. [00:15:25] Speaker A: It might be true at some other of these, like, really strong Catholic colleges. [00:15:29] Speaker B: Right. But I would guess that that problem only seems to arise when there's an abundance of options. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Yes. [00:15:36] Speaker B: As opposed to the other problem. [00:15:38] Speaker A: Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah. And you know, there are people, young women who go to student bill for their Mrs. Degree. So which is, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. Okay, so let's take a step back then. And we're just going to go from the beginning then. So you're a young guy first we're saying you need to be in and you want, you feel like you have a vocation marriage. Obviously, you know, if you don't live in vocation marriage, you might want, you obviously want to look into a vocation to the priesthood. But if you, if you feel like I am called to marriage, but there's no women around. So we would say the first step is you have to be very critical and very serious about where you're living. Right. In the sense of are you. I mean, if you not even want to go to college, you could go, you could move to Steubenville, literally. [00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:26] Speaker A: I mean, or somewhere like that. Or at least find, get. I mean, a big city is going to be more likely, obviously just have more women and find a parish. And I, I was, I will say this, and you probably would agree a traditional Latin match parish is probably your best bet because it's the most likely to have young people attending who aren't just going there with their parents, but like they're actually, you know, marriageable ages. So that's the first step. [00:16:52] Speaker B: But then. Okay, well, also, I will just add on to that there. I sometimes see this paradox where people will acknowledge that, you know, who they marry and that they get married is one of the most important things that will happen in their life. But then there will be no action from them. The, like the first step, it kind of seems like they're just sort of waiting for it to happen it to happen to them. [00:17:19] Speaker A: Passive. [00:17:20] Speaker B: Okay. Whereas, you know, God works with action. And sometimes it seems like especially for the man, it's not a bad thing to be like, okay, I'm gonna go here, I'm gonna go to this parish because I want to find a wife, right? I'm gonna go to this school because I want to find a wife. [00:17:37] Speaker A: Right? [00:17:38] Speaker B: It works. [00:17:38] Speaker A: And like we said for. It might be a situation where you're a young man, you have a good job, but your prospects are just dim because of where you live. You live in a small town, it's not very Catholic. You might have to make the radical step then. [00:17:53] Speaker B: Yeah, move. [00:17:54] Speaker A: You gotta find a new job. It might be, you know, tough and like I said, maybe move back eventually. But if you really feel like it's not just, you know, God, you're right. God doesn't just like. I mean, it happens to some people where their situation it would work out, but you got to, you know, work with the Holy Spirit. [00:18:10] Speaker B: I mean, the big thing is like, you are not in a rom com movie. You're not. You have you. The. The perfect bride isn't just going to show up on your doorstep. Like you have to go and find her. [00:18:23] Speaker A: Okay? So that's kind of the first action item is just you got to find. You got to be in a location where there are more than one woman available because she might not like you, you might not like her. And. And that's fine, right? Everybody likes everybody. But okay, so now let's say though you're in a situation and you are, there are a number of women around that you could potentially, you know, ask out on a date. And. But okay, now what do you do if you're just not that. Okay, I'll say because I know you're gonna say about yourself, but you've always been very easy to talk to people and stuff like that. You're outgoing, all that. But what if you're a guy who just is just introverted, maybe socially awkward? I mean, and this, I want to be clear about this more time with people being weird. We're actually not insulting them. We're just simply saying some people, I mean, there are some that we could insult, but you know. Yeah, but I mean, in general, there's nothing wrong with being weird. Obviously we're weird because, you know, being traditional Catholics, you're not exactly normal. But the point is, is like it's not. But you just got to understand your, your, if you're a real extroverted, life of the party guy, you're gonna right not have a problem. But let's, but let's be honest. There's a Lot of young men who are traditional, and some of this because they're online so much. What. What practical steps can they take to make it so they can, you know, ask a woman out and then on that first date not make it a disaster. [00:19:52] Speaker B: Right. So I would say that one important thing is if you feel like, okay, I just stink it talking to women just, like, after church, or like, you know, at the normal things that you might see them at, it's good to find out, like, okay, what are all of the young people in my community doing? What do they do for fun? Like, is there like some sort of, like, swing dancing group or something? That's something where men and women, you know, have to be right next to each other. You gotta talk to each other or else it's awkward and, you know, if. If you're bad at it, like, go and do that to practice. [00:20:35] Speaker A: And there's nothing weird about going up to a girl and asking her to dance, because that's what literally every single girl there wants to happen. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, especially. Yeah. [00:20:42] Speaker A: That's the thing. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Thing. If you feel like, oh, girls aren't gonna like it if I go up to them, go to, like, a swing dancing group, because they will absolutely like it. Yeah, we have a big. [00:20:52] Speaker A: We have a big dancing community here in the Catholic world. And one of the complaints from the young ladies, of course, is there's not enough men there. Right. So you go. You're very likely to have. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What was your. I gotta bring it up. I don't care. What was your record of asking girls? I, I. [00:21:10] Speaker B: Okay. [00:21:11] Speaker A: I told Peter when he goes to a dance, he needs to ask girls to dance different girls, so that there's no girl, like, just sitting there on the side and nobody's asking her, you know, Sorry. So I know one time you came home from a dance, it was in high school, and you told. I think it was like 36 or something like that. You ask him one dance or something crazy. I think, I think, I think it was at the March for Life. The dance. [00:21:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:21:36] Speaker A: It would be like, you're like, okay, I asked 36, dad. And I was just like, I think it was in the 30s. So, so do that. I mean, you don't have to be 36. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:43] Speaker A: Like, the idea, though, is you're just. And no. And. [00:21:46] Speaker B: And other activities too. Like, just, I don't know, even. Even activities you might not be that interested in. [00:21:52] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:52] Speaker B: If you just want to, you know, hang out with people your age, especially, like, women your age, if there's something that everybody in the parents parish does together or the school. And like I said, this is after you've already completed step one where you're in that community, like figure out, okay, what do they do together? Let me go do that with them. And then like, you do actually, you can't do that. And then, you know, only hang out with your friends who are guys. [00:22:21] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:21] Speaker B: And it's just like, okay, I'm in my corner and they're in their corner. But I went there that happening. Oh, that happens all, all the time there. I've been at functions like that where I'm in the. I, I'll be in a corner and all my single friends are around me and then all the women are over there and I'm like, guys, this is why you're single. So that definitely does happen. [00:22:44] Speaker A: But okay, now not everybody's that outgoing. You're at a, a gathering, a party, a whatever, and there's women and you want to go up and talk to one of them. I mean, we're not going to go like step by step dating advice. But at the same time, like, how do you, if you're a, you know, if it's kind of intimidating for you, I mean, women are intimidating and you go, you know, how do you just like break the ice? I mean, obviously we learned don't use the Benini line. [00:23:12] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, number one. [00:23:14] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Don't start talking about Vatican 2 as your first. As your opening gambit probably is not good. [00:23:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:20] Speaker A: So like, what are, what, how do you like, approach and just start talking? [00:23:25] Speaker B: I mean, I, I would say that the easiest way is to just start talking about whatever it is that you're doing, whatever the activity is. Like, for example, if you're at, if you're at chess club, which is a great place, I'm sure to meet women. [00:23:46] Speaker A: The women there will be very attractive. Attractive to you. [00:23:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Then you could go up to them, you know, start talking about chess. But you know what I'm saying, like about whatever the thing is you're doing. And then once you have a conversation going, then hopefully you can ask them, you know, oh, like, how long have you been going here? What's your major? Okay, blah, blah. [00:24:09] Speaker A: One thing I want to say, but. [00:24:09] Speaker B: I mean, you just have to do it over and over again, right. If you're, if you're bad at it, you. I, I don't have any other advice other than that, is that you just have to be able to practice and get better at it. [00:24:20] Speaker A: Here's My biggest point of advice, I struggled. [00:24:23] Speaker B: Maybe papa's in too. [00:24:28] Speaker A: Okay, dad will not say anything about that one. The will be sponsored later by what's. What's the zing company there that you. [00:24:40] Speaker B: Oh, Vos. [00:24:41] Speaker A: Okay. Sponsored by Vos. So one of the things I learned because I was not that great when I was younger in like high school and college at like, in these situations, I was very. I was very fine with one on one situations when. Or like situ a group or all the. But like when I went to a party and that. That was difficulty. What? [00:25:03] Speaker B: I just. I hate parties. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Okay. There we go. Well, okay, you're welcome. But I was going to say that here's the number one thing I learned about conversation with people you're not really that familiar with. You want to talk to them 100%. Ask them a million questions about them. Do not talk about yourself at all unless they ask you. Then you talk about. But you turn it back around to them. First of all, young women want to know that you're interested in them. There's nothing wrong with that. They're not being vain. They're being normal. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:25:34] Speaker A: That they want. If they hear a young man come up and ask them and be truly interested, like, okay, what's your major? Like you said. Or what, you know, you know, where are you from? Whatever the case, whatever, if there's a something going on, you know, things like that. Not like, okay, what's your opinions on veiling, you know, in the first date? But like, you know, you just start talking about, like ask them about them. [00:25:55] Speaker B: Right. [00:25:55] Speaker A: And the whole conversation should really be you turning the conversation about letting them talk about themselves. And they will naturally, you know, ask you a few questions about yourself and you answer them. But like, really, that's the key. So I would say. And tell me if I'm wrong about this. If you're approaching a woman, have a pocket of like five in your pocket. Like five questions. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:26:17] Speaker A: Like, okay. About them to just. Yeah. [00:26:20] Speaker B: You want to have a plan. [00:26:20] Speaker A: It's not an interview. You're not like, you know, it's not a podcast interview. But like, you know, you just have in your back, your mind. Okay. If the conversation starts to get a. [00:26:27] Speaker B: Little bit and then actually, actually listen to their answers. You have to listen to their answers and then, you know, maybe find something in their answer you can ask about. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. That. That. That is key. [00:26:40] Speaker B: Don't just look at your next question while they're. [00:26:42] Speaker A: You got note cards. Like, okay, okay. So you go on A date. And again, I think the first date, you know. Okay. Yeah, I asked them on a date. That's going to be the hardest part because nobody likes rejection. Right. So you just gotta get over that. But, like, if you're on a date, I think the same rules apply. Don't you? About, like, try and make the conversation about that person and what are their interests, like, what do they like to read? What are their, you know, goals in life or whatever. Right. What did you do on your first date with your. I think I know. Yeah, I do know. But nobody else does your first date with your now wife. [00:27:18] Speaker B: So my first date with her, I took her to PNC park in Pittsburgh for a Reds versus Pirates baseball game. [00:27:26] Speaker A: Very good. [00:27:28] Speaker B: And we got Taco Bell after, so. [00:27:30] Speaker A: I'm not proving the time. [00:27:32] Speaker B: Yeah, the Taco Bell is not. But, you know, the. The date part was. We were just hungry after. [00:27:36] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:27:37] Speaker B: But the day part was the baseball game. But I think I will say one thing. Sometimes I've had my friends who are about to go on dates be like, oh, what should I. What should I do on the date that should be completely, like, subjective, like, completely up to. [00:27:56] Speaker A: Right. [00:27:56] Speaker B: You. As far as, like, what do you guys like? They like you Don't. Don't be. Don't feel like you have to be like, okay, I have to take her to a nice dinner place. [00:28:06] Speaker A: Right. [00:28:06] Speaker B: On our first date. I have to, you know, do it at this time of day. Like, it can be totally. I think that a woman will appreciate if you plan it out. So do plan it out. But. But if you make it yourself, I think that is. And make it like, personal to you and her, then that is the way to go. Because it's more. It'll. It'll show that you were. You actually care about it. [00:28:33] Speaker A: Now, I will say you and I are both baseball fanatics. Everybody knows that. That being said, a baseball game is pretty great because it's good. You're not facing each other, so there's not that, like, real. [00:28:45] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:46] Speaker A: But you're able to have a whole conversation, but you can easily distract it. It's kind of dying out. You have the game to watch. It's not like, weird. [00:28:53] Speaker B: True. [00:28:53] Speaker A: You know, to watch, to have moments. You know, some. There's no awkward pauses during a baseball game, really, because it's okay. I mean, if it goes on for four innings, that gets off. [00:29:02] Speaker B: That would be weird. [00:29:02] Speaker A: But the point is, is like, it's okay. It's normal to be sitting there watching the game and then you Kind of talk a little bit. You turn to each other, but, like, you're not like. Like, it's a little bit less. It's a little bit more relaxed. Now, obviously, if neither of your sports fans. That's not going to work out, but something like that. A concert perhaps, something where you're doing something like that. Because, I mean, a dinner's fine, but the dinner is. You got. [00:29:24] Speaker B: I know that pressure. I've always thought that that was kind of. [00:29:27] Speaker A: I mean, going kind of crazy afterwards. At least you've already kind of. [00:29:30] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:29:30] Speaker A: You got a conversation going. But like, first date. Because now you're just like this. Yeah. It's like, okay, how am I gonna, like, you know, break the side? So. Yeah. So actually. Okay, another question I have for you. I don't think I've ever asked you this. How nervous were you on that first date? You're not a big nervous guy, but, like, were you on that? [00:29:48] Speaker B: I was not. I was not that nervous. [00:29:52] Speaker A: I mean, you guys were friends. [00:29:54] Speaker B: We were. We were good friends leading up to it. So, you know, I wasn't. I will say I wasn't nervous about. About being able to hold a conversation. I was not nervous about that. But that might just be because I'm. [00:30:06] Speaker A: I can hold a conversation. [00:30:08] Speaker B: But so. But I was. I was nervous about, like, just everything going right. Like, I was like, the tickets are gonna somehow be deleted off my phone or, you know that stuff. [00:30:20] Speaker A: Exactly. So just the normal Taco Bell won't agree with you. That'll happen after the date's over. Okay. [00:30:28] Speaker B: She'll realize I'm a Reds fan and not wanna. [00:30:31] Speaker A: Yeah, well, then, I mean, that. That is definitely a. Off the table. Okay, so now here's the big. The. We're gonna kind of skip ahead a little bit, but here's the big one. And you. And I've had conversations about this, and I know it's a big conversation. Is the length of time of dating before you really do start thinking about marriage. Because in a lot, in a traditional world, you dated your wife for a long time, but in the traditional world, especially now, you started very young. So, you know. You know, it wasn't like you were 30. It is different if you start when you're. You're 18. When you start dating. Yeah, okay, 18. And, you know, if you're 30, when you start dating, it's going to be different. But, like, what's your own view? I kind of feel like we might disagree a little bit on this, but, like, there's a big debate about like, okay, you know, you should stay for six months and get married or you should they, you know, in the, in the, in the outside the Catholic world, it's very much like people are dating for years, they live together, all that crap. But what would you say? Like, what would be kind of your views on that? [00:31:32] Speaker B: So me personally, I dated my wife for I. We started dating a week after school started our freshman year and we got married a week after I graduated. So it was just. We dated for college basically. [00:31:49] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:31:51] Speaker B: But as far as the length of time, I found that something that people kind of miss on that is that six months of college time is very different than six months of your. But you both have full time jobs and you're 25 time. So like, you might think like, oh, okay, the older you are, the quicker you can go to, you know, from you start dating someone to get married. But I will say that if, let's say that you meet someone during the, the fall semester of your senior year of college, well, you, if you start dating them, you might hang out with them for hours a day, you know, four or five days a week until the end of college. [00:32:41] Speaker A: Right. [00:32:41] Speaker B: That is so much time compared to someone who has a full time job and they start dating someone and it's maybe, you know, a couple times a week. So I think that the amount of time that you actually spend with them is, is important as well. Which is why sometimes you hear like, oh, we were dating for four months and then we got engaged and it's like, okay, but you were living, you know, in Dorms about like 200ft from each other and you saw each other every day. You probably were able to get to know each other pretty well. But I do, I do think, I mean, every person is unique and you know, every pairing of two people is unique. So I'm, I've never been one to be like, okay, it has to be between this amount of time and this amount of time that you're dating. But I think we, I mean, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious that like over, over a couple years if you're out of college is pretty stupid. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean by the time you're like, let's say you're 30, you know who you are a lot better than maybe when you're 18. [00:33:44] Speaker B: Right. [00:33:44] Speaker A: And that therefore you know what you're compatible with, what would work out. So it shouldn't take as long I would think, you know, as you, as you get older, just as far as like, it's funny because it Offsets that you're not together as much, but you know more about who you are. Yeah, obviously, if you're the, if you're 30 and the, the young woman you're dating is like 22 or something, maybe it's a little different because she might need a little more time or something like that. But. Yeah, I don't think there's a rule, though, because like, the standard, like, kind of secular world rule is you have to be graduated from college, you have to date for a couple years. Of course you have to live together, they would say, which obviously is a mortal sin, so don't do that. You know, things like that. And I think all those, all the rules of modern society, I feel like they're all, they're all rules of a society that has huge divorce rates. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Right. [00:34:34] Speaker A: And huge, you know, cases of like, adultery, fornication, stuff like that. So it's like, who cares what those rules are? [00:34:39] Speaker B: And the other thing is, I mean, you really should be trying to get married young. I mean, I think anybody listening to this podcast probably is. But the older you are, the more it's kind of like your personality is kind of like your bones, like, setting in. You get fixated into like, okay, I'm in this spot. This is who I am. And when you're 30 and then you meet another 30 year old, it's difficult to then break out of that mold and come together. I mean, obviously people do it all the time and it's good, but it is a lot easier when, like, I met my wife when I was 18 and we were together for four very, like, formative years in our lives before we got married. [00:35:31] Speaker A: So you can be being shaped together. [00:35:33] Speaker B: Right. [00:35:33] Speaker A: In a way. [00:35:34] Speaker B: So. [00:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, now here's something I just saw, if I meant to write down earlier and I forgot we were talking about, like, being somewhere, you know, our first rules we got. What about online dating, Catholic Match in place in places like that? Because I, I know of people, couples who have gotten married and been married for a while. Catholic Match, you're. Are you a thumbs down on it? Not sponsored by Catholic Match? [00:35:55] Speaker B: I, I would say, you know, without a ton of information, I'm leaning thumbs down. I just think that if you, if you have a community around you, then you should probably just go with in person. [00:36:17] Speaker A: What about. [00:36:17] Speaker B: But I would say that like, like somebody who was in the first category or the whatever category it was, where you feel like there's nobody really around you, then, yeah, what if they have. [00:36:29] Speaker A: Family obligations but they can't move Maybe they're taking care of like a. [00:36:31] Speaker B: Right. Yeah. [00:36:32] Speaker A: A family member, and they just simply can't move and there's nothing great around them. I mean, obviously Catholic Match was after my time. I mean, I was already married when it came out, so I can't, like, you know, I don't have any experience with it. Lisa. Not that I'll tell Mom. Just kidding. But, like, it's. It. I do know couples that it's worked out. Like, I know a couple that was. They were one of the first people involved. Like, I didn't even heard of it with when they start. And I'm a friend of mine in college, she found this, you know, was dating to my online. I thought it was the weirdest thing. It was like 25 years ago. And they're a happily married couple and have been for. [00:37:10] Speaker B: Well, hang on. Is this. This is. You meet people online, but you date them in person, Right. [00:37:15] Speaker A: Well, usually what happens is you meet them online, you start dating them in online, like in the sense that you're. I've seen going date, but don't do that. And then you do end up getting to the point where you come, you meet, and then you start eating. [00:37:31] Speaker B: I think it's like a longer advertiseable. If it's you. You, like, connect. You match online. [00:37:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And then locals. [00:37:40] Speaker B: And then you. Okay. Like, yeah. [00:37:42] Speaker A: And you can do that. [00:37:42] Speaker B: And then your first date, you're after that, you're. [00:37:45] Speaker A: And you can do that. You can say, okay, I'm only going to meet. I'm only gonna. I only want people showing up who are on my feed or whatever it's called, who are relatively vocal. But you're not a big fan of that. [00:37:58] Speaker B: No. [00:37:58] Speaker A: Okay. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Not if. Well, not if it's, you know, an online relationship. I don't. [00:38:03] Speaker A: Right. [00:38:03] Speaker B: I don't think that's healthy, personally. [00:38:05] Speaker A: Okay, cool. You're not a big online guy, I guess, about. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Well, yeah. [00:38:12] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, having a relationship online, I guess. Or like being too online. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:38:16] Speaker A: So. Okay, so now. Oh, that got me by some else. Okay, so at what point would you say you're dating somebody? At what point would you. I know it's not going to be a one size fits all, but, like, when it's like, okay, I think this is the one I want to ask to marry me. [00:38:36] Speaker B: I would say that you should have already made sure of that. You know, she's really serious about her. Her faith that you. That she understands the Catholic teaching about having children. And also I would even say that it would Be good to talk about raising children as well, because that's obviously going to be a huge part of any merit of a marriage that you're going into. Um, and then obviously different people will have different other things that they might be like, okay, I need this, but just make sure that anything, anything that you think, like, this would really, you know, this would really mess up our relationship if this was true. Like, don't leave it in the air. Like, make sure you're like, hey, yeah, this isn't the case. Right. [00:39:34] Speaker A: Like if she was a Yankees fan or something like that. [00:39:36] Speaker B: Well, right. So, but then after that, I mean, I, I, I don't want to give a cop out answer, but it really is up to, I mean, it is up to the couple. But I, I just think that once, once you have everything sort of in place where you're like, okay, she, you know, you have all of those necessary things, you meet her family. I think it's whenever, as soon as that happens and you really feel like you know her really well, right. Then you can do it. [00:40:14] Speaker A: Whenever you mentioned about like knowing, you should obviously know ahead of time that she's open to life, you know, as the catature teaches, you know how you, you have compatible. When do you first start talking about that? And like, I kind of wonder, should the guy be the first one or should the, the, the gal should be the one who introduces like conversations about like, okay, married life. Because at some point, you know, your first date, probably you're not talking about marriage, right. But at some point it's gonna, if things are going well. Yeah, you, you, you can't like propose without first end of the conversation. So, like, do you think the guy should be the one who introduced it or wait for the guy girl or. It doesn't matter. [00:40:56] Speaker B: I would say, I would say that the guy should probably be the one to bring it up, but if the girl brings it up, you know. [00:41:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:03] Speaker B: Don't shut it down. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Yeah, right. [00:41:05] Speaker B: There's no problem with that. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:41:08] Speaker B: But yeah, I think that, that once you start, yeah. Once you start really feeling like, okay, this person is very important to me. [00:41:20] Speaker A: Right. [00:41:20] Speaker B: You know, I, this person is a big part of my life. And because you're gonna naturally, once that starts happening, you're gonna naturally start thinking about like, yeah, when I graduate and then, you know, I get married to my, oh, wait, like, yeah. All of a sudden you just start thinking about it. [00:41:37] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:41:38] Speaker B: And then that's when you are like, okay, I need to talk to this person. Make sure that we're on the same page about this. [00:41:43] Speaker A: It's something can just be like, just generic. Your views on things. Like, for example, if you feel very strongly you want to homeschool your children. [00:41:51] Speaker B: Right. [00:41:52] Speaker A: That can just come up in a conversation where you just say, you know, just say like, hey, you know, I, I, I personally want to make sure I, my kids are homeschooled. Well, that's gonna, yeah, you're gonna find out real quick what she thinks. And she might be like, no, I think they should go to public school. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Right. So I remember I had only been dating my wife for two weeks, so none of that stuff had come up. And we were sitting in, you know, like a public area just talking to each other, and one of her friends came up and she was just like, first, I can't even remember why, but for some reason she was just like, how many kids do you guys want to have? Okay, not even like, necessarily together, just like, in general. [00:42:36] Speaker A: Did she pay your friend? [00:42:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I, maybe, but. And then, but then my wife was like 15, so I was like, okay, check. [00:42:45] Speaker A: That was easy. We, we have a winner on, on discount at the very least. So that probably won't happen to most people, but yeah, unless you go to student bill, then it may. Well, so, yeah, it obviously did. So, so, yeah, so, I mean, conversations just about like your, I mean, just, we need. When you date somebody, a lot of times you talk about your hopes and aspirations, what you want to do with life, what, you know, what you're like, your career if you're a guy and stuff like that. So. And also, like the whole, like, obviously that I said if you're a guy, but obviously if you want your wife to stay at home with the kids, and your wife and when you're dating is very much career driven and wants, you know, wants to, Then you got a problem. And that would be a case where it's like, okay, you know. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that could be. [00:43:30] Speaker A: Something that she likes. This movie I don't like. [00:43:32] Speaker B: Right. [00:43:33] Speaker A: Not something like that or like, you know, she likes Harry Potter and I think it's from the Devil or something like that. Right, that could be a. [00:43:40] Speaker B: No, that's fine. [00:43:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that could be the. Over there. So, okay, so what else? Any other advice for young men and young ladies? Sorry, but we don't really have a young lady on here right now. So we're talking to young men, but we're trying to get the young men prepared for you. There we go. So any other advice for young men, though? Who are, you know, the young Catholic men who are looking for, you know, they want to get married and they're really struggling with it and they don't. They're getting a little despairing maybe even. [00:44:13] Speaker B: Probably just, I mean this is always good advice, but just have humility. Just don't, you know, don't walk around with your chest out too much because that, that is one thing that will drive women away very quickly. And don't, don't act like you're entitled to, you know, oh, because I asked her out, she has to say yes. Something like that. Like when you're asking someone out, don't act like, you know, be, be courteous and be humble and if she says no, don't, don't like react in a bad way because that will get around quickly. So I guess just, yeah, just be humble. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Okay. That actually made me think of something. So in the trad world there's this, it's like this and even maybe outside a little bit in categoric world, the whole gender roles and like how men are supposed to act like you know, alpha male, like the, you know, the sphere and you know, people like, which is awful. But even like in the world, like okay, the man's household, I'll believe like how that happens. Like I, I think there are cases there. I know there are because for the man in dating situation, almost trying to establish the woman like quickly. [00:45:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:31] Speaker A: I don't know if you have this, but almost it's like they've been to like people online. [00:45:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:37] Speaker A: Even Catholic men who are like, well, you know, your wives be submissive to the husband so I don't know, get started early or something. But like how do you like. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:47] Speaker A: So that seemed doomed to failure frankly. [00:45:49] Speaker B: Right. So when you are dating someone, they are not your wife. [00:45:54] Speaker A: Right. [00:45:55] Speaker B: So you don't actually have any authority over them. [00:45:58] Speaker A: Right. [00:46:00] Speaker B: And if, yeah, that's not, that's not good. I think that's something that, I mean, I think every, every couple kind of has to figure out how they're going to act. And I think one, one really good thing is when you start dating someone, find a couple that is close to your age that you admire and that you think you kind of want to. You, you're thinking like, I want to treat my girlfriend like that person treats their girlfriend or wife. Okay. So like for me it was my oldest brother in law on both sides actually, my sister's husband and my wife's brother. [00:46:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:46:45] Speaker B: We're just sort of examples for me of like both when they were dating their fiance's and girlfriends and now that they're married of like, okay, this is how I can treat my girlfriend or fiance in these different situations. So I think finding a good example like that somebody you look up to is really important. And then as far as like the like establishing dominance or whatever thing, I think that if you're doing that too, like, you're doing it too like on the nose early in the relationship, I think that's going to, you're not going to the, the a good woman is kind of going to be thrown off by that. [00:47:32] Speaker A: Right. [00:47:32] Speaker B: And be like, hey, what are you doing? We I not under your authority at all. [00:47:37] Speaker A: Right. [00:47:37] Speaker B: Yeah. So like what, what's going on? [00:47:39] Speaker A: And even if you're like talking about a lot in the, in the, in the talk about marriage, that, that seems to be a little bit obviously a proper Catholic marriage. The man's ahead of the household. Nobody's disputing that here. But like I, I just kind of feel like if in. [00:47:54] Speaker B: Well, you do have to talk about it. [00:47:55] Speaker A: You do. But I feel like if the man is really kind of almost obsessive about it, that might be a red flag for the ladies. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I think that the way that you act should make it clear, like, well, yes, I am going to be in charge. [00:48:11] Speaker A: Right. It should be kind of more than anything else. That's the thing. [00:48:16] Speaker B: I am, I'm going to be taking care of you, so. [00:48:18] Speaker A: Right, right, exactly. So one thing you mentioned about, I love that point about like finding a couple, real life couple, because I think a lot of times when you have these cases of like people kind of overdoing the be the alpha male, be the whatever is like, because they're getting advice online from people. You have no idea what they're. They might not be married, first of all. Right. They might be able to find a date and they might have terrible marriages. [00:48:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:43] Speaker A: You don't know online. But in real life, if you see day to day, you know what your brother in law's relationships and marriages are like, you see it. And if you find someone like that who has a successful and you can tell it's very obviously a successful relationship, I think that's, that's a great advice to model after that because that's real world. That's not like a guy with a million Instagram followers. [00:49:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Who might literally be a disaster in real life. [00:49:08] Speaker B: Right. [00:49:09] Speaker A: But he, you know, he, he gets lots of followers. Tell him you know how to establish your dominance or whatever. They do. Okay. So that's Great advice. Anything else on the. How to find a wife? [00:49:21] Speaker B: I think, I think they should be ready. [00:49:24] Speaker A: Yes. And I think I expect one year from now, I want people to comment on this who have now have a wife or engaged. [00:49:32] Speaker B: Oh, no, they have a wife, remember? [00:49:35] Speaker A: Yes, right, exactly. By, you know, from this video, I want to pivot for talking about young men and vocations to marriage, but the vocation priesthood. You brought this up. You want to talk about this. So we're going to do it. So obviously there are some young men who have a vocation to the priesthood, which is we all, we both agree is the highest calling and noble and right. We, we pray and encourage young men to become priests. But I, I've said this online, I think publicly. I've told you, obviously personally, but I've said if you were, if you, if you felt like you have vacation priesthood, I would have told you do not become a diocesan priest. And that's from my experience. I know some very holy and great diocesan priests. It's not an attack on them at all, but it is the difficulty of that life. And I was like, find a religious community, a good religious community order and do that instead. And you told me before we went on that you want to push back on that, that you're. You don't think that's great advice. [00:50:33] Speaker B: I don't. And because I think that, number one, the diocesan priests are necessary because the diocesan parishes are the life of the church. [00:50:48] Speaker A: That is true. [00:50:49] Speaker B: And number two, it would seem that, okay, maybe don't want to become a diocesan priest because that's going to be a very difficult lifestyle and you're going to really be in a lot of, like, you're gonna be. There's gonna be a lot of tension. It's not going to be easy. Exactly. That's why we should be telling our sons to do it. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:51:14] Speaker B: That's exactly. [00:51:15] Speaker A: What do you have a son? [00:51:17] Speaker B: That's exactly what being a saint is. [00:51:19] Speaker A: But it's so hard. [00:51:21] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:51:22] Speaker A: But it's so hard in ways that the thing is, is like, like somebody being like a missionary in Saudi Arabia is hard, but it's beautiful and it's. And it's great. But being a D and priest, most of your. The sacrifice and the hardness of it is from inside. From your bishop. [00:51:39] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:51:40] Speaker A: From your parish parishioners who are just completely unreasonable. And it's just like, I don't know. I'm not claiming my advice. [00:51:47] Speaker B: And also I would, I would say that if your, if your advice was, you know, don't tell your sons to go be Jesuits. That would be fine. Because we don't need the Jesuits, we don't need the jets to be a church. But we need diocesan priests. They're a key part of the church. And if we keep just letting you know certain types of people become diocesan. [00:52:14] Speaker A: Priests, we say, where are we on this podcast? [00:52:16] Speaker B: Then you know, our, our parishes aren't going to improve and it's not a good, it's not a good thing that all of the best parishes are oratories or you know, something, something special. It has to be something special or else don't go. That's not a good thing. Your regular diocesan parish is very important and we should be focusing on trying to revive them. And the first step of that is to have good priests in those parishes. [00:52:47] Speaker A: I will say one thing in my defense a little bit. Bit. One of the reasons I would tell you don't become a diocesan priest is because I'd want you to have to overcome that. Because that'd tell me you really do have a calling to D and priesthood. Because if you're going against your own parents telling you not to become diocesan priests and you're like, no, God is because you really. Right, you know, you should follow your parents advice in, in general. But obviously God, your calling from God is higher than your parents. So like, honestly, if I, if, if, if I told you don't become diocentre, don't and you became diocent priest, I would know. Okay, he's really committed to this. Which means you can hopefully withstand the difficulty. Because I, I, my experience, I guess. [00:53:30] Speaker B: I guess I wouldn't say. Well, I don't know, I guess it would be a little bit. If you are going, if, if you would encourage your son, like, okay, maybe you should be a D priest, like if you're considering the priesthood, then I would say you have to let them know, like, okay, this is not going to be easy. Like you're choosing the hard path here. Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah. [00:53:53] Speaker A: And yeah, I mean, I just, I know, I know a lot, unfortunately behind the scenes stuff and I know diocesan priests who have left the priesthood and. Yeah, and it's not like they were bad people, you know, I mean it's, I'm not like trying to condemn them, it just is, it's so difficult. Which is, by the way, why we all need to be praying very vigorously for all our priests, but the diocesan priests in particular, we need that. [00:54:18] Speaker B: So. [00:54:18] Speaker A: Yeah, so that's, that's for those who are considering the the priesthood feeling called that. Consider diocesan priesthood according to my son. I'm still not ready to say that to be honest. But you make some good points. So. Okay. Anything else? [00:54:32] Speaker B: That's it. [00:54:33] Speaker A: Well, thank you very much. Maybe next Christmas when you're home we will have our some topic to talk about then. [00:54:39] Speaker B: So you could have my wife on and how to find a husband. [00:54:42] Speaker A: That's true. [00:54:43] Speaker B: I could part two to this podcast coming up. [00:54:45] Speaker A: I don't. Okay. People might know this but I generally don't put my daughters online because there's too many weirdos out there. I don't want them to know what they look like or anything. Right. And now she's my daughter so I kind of. She's in that category for me of like I don't want anybody to even know who she is. [00:55:01] Speaker B: Right. I. I would be scared them but. [00:55:04] Speaker A: Well that is knowing your wife. That is true. But I have this protective instinct with. [00:55:09] Speaker B: Right. [00:55:10] Speaker A: My daughters that I don't want them anybody knowing that they exist. But so anyway. Okay. Well thank you very much. That's it for now. Until next time, everybody. God love you. It.