The Digital Archduke: The Habsburg Legacy in the Internet Age

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:15] Speaker B: So I'm just going to start off with the most American question possible. This has been driving me crazy for years. I should have asked Charles Colomb about this ahead of time. Okay, so you are an archduke, right? [00:00:27] Speaker A: Yes. [00:00:27] Speaker B: Okay, first, I have a couple questions related to that. This is very American because we don't know this royalty and these like title, nobility, and all these titles. First of all, a couple questions related that. Why are you an archduke and not a duke? Why are you an archduke in the first place? Why are you not just a duke? And what do people. What is the formal way people should address you? I know you're very. Don't care about that stuff really. But like, is it your excellency, your highness, your majesty, Is there any official title for that? So laid out for us Americans about this? [00:01:01] Speaker A: So I'm an archduke, and all of my Habsburg cousins are archdukes, and all my female Habsburg cousins are archduchesses, because that's a title that only exists in our family. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Okay. [00:01:14] Speaker A: We found it. Some people say we made it up, but we found it in an old document somewhere in the 15th century. And since then we call each other archbuches, gave us a sort of special nobility in a time where the Habsburgs had just lost the throne of the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and felt rather miserable. They discovered this document and then of course, they presented it to the emperor to be valid. It was written, I think, by Caesar or by Nero in a very clumsy Latin. So they presented it to the emperor. The emperor, together with Petrarcha, the famous Renaissance intellectual, said it obviously a forgery. The Habsburgs continued calling themselves archdukes until the first Habsburg was emperor again. Then they, they took another look at the documents and found that they were absolutely valid. And when the emperor says a document is valid, then it's valid. So that's how we became archdukes. And how to address an archduke, if you're really very, very correct, you would probably say imperial and royal highness. [00:02:26] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:27] Speaker A: But highness does the job too. And I'm used to your excellency because I was ambassador for 10 years and still am an ambassador at large. But I would also react to Edward. [00:02:44] Speaker B: Yeah, I know you're not like super obsessed with that type of stuff, but I. I'm very interested in it, actually. We're gonna get into this in a minute. You know, we're both going to the blessed Carl symposium and we're both speaking. And I want to make sure when I'm speaking, I'm giving the proper addresses to everybody. So for example, so any of the. Basically any of the Habsburgs are either an archduke or an archdiocese duchess, correct? [00:03:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:03:07] Speaker B: Now, how does that. Does that continue to go through? Like, so, for example, a female archduch, she has kids. They can and she is. They continue to be archdukes, or does that then lose it on the male line? [00:03:22] Speaker A: It's only in the male line. And of course, if you're a daughter, you remain archduchess until you get married. Then you're not an archducchess anymore, but you and your children still remain part of the family. Once these children get married, they exit the family. So one thing that you can tell, if someone is an archduchess and she marries somebody, and people who really are in the know, when they write a letter to her and her husband, they would write the name and title, if he has a title of the. Of the husband, and then add Her Imperial Royal Highness Archduchess under it to show that they're aware that she was a Habsburg once. This happens sometimes in letters and in official things. But, I mean, I don't have the title in my passport. It is something historic, and if I would ever dare to fling it around in Austria, they would probably give me a fine or something. So I'm not using it too much. [00:04:32] Speaker B: So your sons are. You have one son or how many sons do you have? [00:04:37] Speaker A: I've got one son and five daughters. And all of them are archdukes, Archduchesses. Yes. [00:04:43] Speaker B: Okay, right. And then I. Because you have very similar setup that I do, because I have one son and six daughters. So. And our children, I think, are similar ages as well. So. Okay, I got that straight. [00:04:53] Speaker A: So the. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Oh, I'm blanking on her name. The granddaughter of Blessed Carl who will. [00:04:59] Speaker A: Be at the conference, Maria Anna Galitzin. Now, she's a Princess Galitzine, but she's an archduchess, of course, from birth, because. [00:05:07] Speaker B: She'S a princess, because she married a prince, a Russian prince. [00:05:10] Speaker A: Right, Russians. Prince Galitzin. Yes. [00:05:13] Speaker B: Okay. My wife is coming with me to the conference, and she's really hoping her husband comes because she studied Russian. She was a Russian Studies major. She loves Russia and, you know, history and everything. So she would love to meet him, but we'll see. So. Okay, so I got that straight. I feel like I'm going in now to the conference, and I won't make a complete fool of myself. So imperial and royal is Imperial and Royal Highness, did you say? Is the official title. Okay, okay. Or just highness, or in your case, Just Edward, you might want to be. Okay. [00:05:45] Speaker A: Okay. [00:05:46] Speaker B: So the next thing before we really get to what we want to talk about today is so I a couple months ago got off X. And so I have not really been there and seen anything going on. Every once in a while post links to things. But you're still on. I know. So you gotta tell me what's going on X in your world because I know. I loved your account. That's one of the things I actually missed about X. In fact, before we, before I did this, I went on X yesterday just to look at your. Your feed because I always loved it. So what, what's the latest on X from, from. From your world? [00:06:16] Speaker A: I have hundreds and 18000 followers. I still manage to. To cultivate a very wholesome little bubble within X. I think that's very possible. I think anybody can do it. And by interacting in a wholesome way and gathering and collecting a group of wholesome followers that will interact in that way, you create little biotopes where people are nice to each other. I'm very, very. That's for me one of the greatest discoveries on X. The two greatest discoveries are that you can be as civil on X and be treated as civilly on X as you are in real life and be that X is a great possibility to get to know people who are, so to speak, in the other camp politically or in church vision than you are and really get to know them by seeing how they interact, how they react and then find that they are far more human than you think, even if they have very other positions than you have. I really believe that if you are on X and if you interact, if you don't just post one link per day but really interact, that I will have your number at least after two weeks I will know what kind of person you are. You cannot put on a mask on X. If you interact, you will show your colors. And I have discovered people who are in a very different frame of mind and worldview than I am, who are considered enemies by some of my friends to be really good people. And I found a few people who are considered part of our worldview to be not very nice people just by the way you see them interacting on X. So that's why I like X. I actually like it. And my experience is a very positive one. [00:08:16] Speaker B: That's great. Now what do you do? Because I know you have it as well. When you have people respond like trolls or attack you or something, you know, insult, whatever, do you ignore? Do you block? Do you do you try to interact. How do you handle that? [00:08:32] Speaker A: Well, I am in the lucky situation that I can still answer. I could still answer to most people who reach out to me. I can answer to almost all direct messages I get because as I said, I have 118,000 followers. Once I have a million, it won't be easy anymore. And so sometimes I see insults, sometimes I. Well, sometimes it's very obvious because most Americans, when they Google the word Habsburg, the first thing that comes to mind is the Habsburg jaw. Because there is a whole subset of people who just cannot amuse themselves enough about the fact that for about 150 years a certain group of Habsburgs from the Spanish branch of the family had this very forward jutting lower mandible. And there are a few paintings of the Spanish Habsburgs that will regularly be tweeted at me on X with very spicy and humorous comments thinking that naha, I've owned a Habsburg now. And it's like, guys, I'm on this thing since 12, 13 years. I've seen every version of an anti Habsburg slur that you can imagine. They're very often not as funny as you think. There are funny ones. They're very funny ones. And I usually try to take all of this lighthearted. I think X is not that serious. We should always take it in a, in an attitude of fun. And that's how I do it. Sometimes I answer back in a fun way. Sometimes people are astonished that I have spoke answer to them and sometimes they will engage in nice conversation and sometimes they won't. So that's the way humans are. But I enjoy that. That's a part of X I enjoy very much. And of course I try to take the opportunity to teach people some history and faith lessons because once you've got their attention, you can speak about things. And I always try to do it in a humorous and cheeky way because that's the tone I, I've all. [00:10:38] Speaker B: I, that was the one I, you know, like I said, I've been off X for a while, but I really did enjoy your account and it, because I, I saw sometimes where people were just, you know, they, they, they say something stupid about in the Habsburg jaw or something like that. They think they're like, oh, they want. And you would just have a hilarious response where it was like, you weren't, it was clear you weren't taking it too seriously. You were just like, you know, I've heard it all. This isn't exactly, this isn't new to me or anything like that. And I thought that was a great way to disarm them because I think a lot of them, they then responded differently. Like, I found that when I'll get emails, sometimes from people who will be very belligerent in something we published or something I wrote or whatever the case may be, and often when I try, and I will, I'll be the first to admit my first reaction often is to be upset, to, you know, feel my pride insulted, whatever, look down on the person. But then I take a moment. You never send an email, shouldn't send anything on the Internet out of anger. So I, I take a moment, think about it, and I try to respond to their actual point they're making, not, not the attacks. And I kind of ignore the insult. And I tell you, nine times out of 10, they get back to me and they will say thank you. And often they will even apologize for their tone and they'll just say, I appreciate you, you responding to me. And so you can disarm people with charity with just some basic politeness, if nothing else. But it. I'm not saying it's easy because I've. I haven't always done that. I have responded inappropriately at times, you know, in anger and things like that. So. But I do find that it, it really is disarming. And I. You do, you do it great. Now, of course, you're a professional ambassador, a professional diplomat, so you have it in your, in your genes, I guess. Right. [00:12:19] Speaker A: I think that it's also a character type. You know, my wife tends to get more irritated about things. I am always trying to see the peaceful view on things. It's in my character and built like that. Another thing that I would like to add on what among my strongest. I actually love the Internet and I love social media and I love X because it is a place where you can speak about your faith, not just speak about your faith. Give testimony of the Catholic faith in a way that I've never done it all my life. And it has to do with the fact that you're a Habsburg. When you're a Habsburg, people look in a way, look in a special way to you. They. They will notice you and they will notice what you do and how you behave far more than if my name was Miller, probably not. But if your name is Habsburg, people will notice what you do. That means you. All your life already, you. You. You tried not to leash out. You try not to overreact because people will remember if a Habsburg did that. But about faith is people know Habsburgs are Catholic. So it's easier for me online to just give testimony of my faith. And if you knew the amount of faith conversations that began on direct message on X, people who wrote to me and say, I have this terrible problem, please pray for me, because they know I'm a Catholic person and I will pray for them. They always try to pray immediately for them. And with some of them, it became a conversation that went over months and years. And some of those became friendships in faith, other friendships. So it's really incredible what X has done and what the Internet has done. The other thing is, if you want to speak to 1 million people or 2, you either must be lucky. When I was young, 30 years ago, you had to be lucky and get into a TV interview, or you had to get past the gatekeepers at a newspaper and write an article. And now I can just sit in front of a camera, and if I'm lucky, millions of people will watch it. My Twitter account, many of the things I write are seen by millions of people. And that is a great thing because I remember just before I went to Rome, I once said, and I thought, have I ever given testimony of my faith? Have I ever tried to bring people to the faith by speaking up about my faith? And you realize in everyday life, at least in my everyday life, there were not that many opportunities. You have the tendency to blend in. You try not to, you know, when do you begin to. You don't stand at the street corner with a Bible, but X allows you to stand at the street corner with a Bible in a nice way. You know, today, for instance, I. No, not today. Yesterday evening, I made a tweet about one week until Ash Wednesday and Lent beginning. Have you already thought about what you want to do? And I gave 1, 2 suggestions how to do that. People loved that. There was immediately more than 10,000 views in very short time and reactions, lots of interactions. So ACTS is really a place where you can give testimony of your Christian faith. And I think that many of the faith paths of today begin on the Internet. Begin. People who follow a podcast, follow a show like yours, get to know the faith in a way that they don't get to know it in their parish. And then from there try to learn more. And from there try to find a place where they encounter faith in that way. So I am incredibly positive about Internet and X. [00:16:20] Speaker B: That's great. You balanced me out a little bit because I've gotten more negative over time. But I think you're right. I found in all my years on X, I found a lot of good that did. And like I said, I've taken a break from not saying I'm permanently, and I still do post some things, but not permanently leaving or anything like that, because I do think there are benefits. And I think you're a great example that I also. You mentioned being a Habsburg and the responsibility, and I think it's correct. It might not feel like this, but the burden of having that name. And like you said, if you say anything that's contrary to the faith, for example, that has a little more weight to it than if somebody whose last name is Miller or Salmon says means something. And I wanted to ask a little bit about just being a Habsburg. Like, what's your first memory growing up when you realize I'm in a different type of family than most people, because like most of us, we just grow up normal and like, you know, just. Just average. But, like, at some point, you had to realize, okay, my family history is not like other people's family history, and the. The responsibilities of my family are different than other people's. When did you kind of first realize that? [00:17:31] Speaker A: I would say it was a mix of several things. One of them was accompanying my parents to two events at royal courts in Europe where they were invited. You realized you were part of a special set of people that you could go to, say, a princely wedding in Belgium or something. There was one. One was, of course, when you go to school and you have history. And as the Habsburgs touched most of European history between 1370, 1273, and 1918, to say the least, you would regularly have the teacher saying, and that was, of course, an emperor of the Habsburg family. But I'm sure Mr. Habsburg can tell us more about it. And you're. You're sitting somewhere in the last row and you're panicking because you don't know more, of course, because you haven't studied the Habsburg history. Because, as I always like to say, I'm a science fiction fan and I read Dune. We don't have other memories. We cannot converse directly with our ancestors that we carry inside ourselves. So we also have to learn about our family. And I think one of the earliest two remembrances in my childhood where I knew this is really special is when I met Empress Zita, the widow of blessed Emperor Carl, as a young boy. And she told me about the coronation in Budapest, a few things she remembered that are not in the history books. Goodness, that was special. And then, you know, one of the experiences when you go to an event and you stand there like eight years old and you stand in your nice tie and your dark suit and your. Your coat in somewhere on a snowy late afternoon, and they are opening some memorial or a statue, and you have a music band, and you have people in traditional uniforms, and you have people crying, and you have people who want to talk to you because you're a Habsburg and you've just come from school where you are one of many other pupils that live in a normal world and terrified of not doing their homework right? And then suddenly you put on this stuff and you're. You're part of. Of a very different world of people who look at you like some sort of hope, something that is still right in this crazy world, and. And all of these things come together, and you. You try to figure out what. So what am I? So when you're at Young Habsburg, I always like to say you have a prefabricated identity that is offered to you. You can put on the mantle of being a member of the Habsburg family. I mean, of course, living in the world and having a normal job, but on top of that, always being a Habsburg, which means a certain set of responsibilities, a certain set of expectations, some duties, of course, advantages. But as we said a few times already, you cannot just behave like you want to. You have to stand for certain values. You have to be Catholic. You have to have an international mindset. You have to understand both sides in a conflict. That's a very Habsburg thing. So, yeah, and I tried to put all of this in my. In my first book, the Habsburg Way, I try to explain which are the core values for which we stand and why they still count in today's world. And also, I want to add, also impressive were the family meetings. We had family meetings with several hundred Habsburgs from all over the world, where you meet the old uncles who still can tell you stories about the First World War from their parents and back to Emperor Franz Joseph. My grandfather met Emperor Franz Joseph when he was a boy. All of that. All of that feeds into it. [00:21:52] Speaker B: Do you still have these family meetings? [00:21:55] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes, we had. The last family meeting was in 2022. That was the centenary of Blessed Carol's death in Madeira. In 2016, we had one in Rome where we met Pope Francis and so on. It's happening. It's continuing now. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Okay, so if you remember the Habsburg family, do you feel more inclined or less inclined to get involved in politics? Because I could see it going either way. And does it really matter on the person, or is there some of a kind of. Yeah, don't get too Involved in politics is the idea, or is it the other way around? [00:22:35] Speaker A: I suppose you would probably not try to get too involved in party politics for one country. But just out of caution, going into diplomacy is my way of going into politics. I never went into politics. Some members of my family also went into politics. I think that's possible. But I say the emperor was always above and beside the parties. And so that should be an image that we should try to live up to, trying to live above the daily political battle. But that doesn't mean that one member of my family couldn't go into politics in a country. We are in every walk of life. We have nurses, we have priests, we have museum directors and people working in the forests. [00:23:34] Speaker B: We have race car drivers. You have race car drivers, Right. [00:23:39] Speaker A: We have got. Our future head of family is a very talented race car driver and a very good Catholic. Praise God for it. And so, yeah, my brother is nervous. [00:23:51] Speaker B: This sounds. This might sound silly, but it. When I found out he was a race car driver and he's the future head of the family, I immediately got. I was nervous because that's a dangerous profession, I would think. I mean, it's like, you know, here's the guy who, I mean, has a lot of responsibilities. The head of the family eventually is the head of the family. And, you know, it's kind of risky, I would think, but, I mean, I feel like a mom or something, like. [00:24:12] Speaker A: Hey, maybe you shouldn't be doing that. [00:24:15] Speaker B: Is anybody in the family gatherings? Ask him, like, hey, are you sure this is a. This is a good idea? [00:24:21] Speaker A: Well, he already had one or two really bad crashes, which he survived really well. Who am I to tell him? He's very good in it, he's passionate for it, and so far it went well. The only consolation I have is you can't do that for a very long time because eventually there will be younger people who are faster and better than you. And so we'll see. We'll see where it goes. But he's a great guy. He's a great guy. And. Yeah, but on the other hand, Eric, we don't have a monarchy. This is. His responsibilities are head of the family, family gatherings, looking after the members of the family. And of course, when you get engaged, you still ask the head of the family whether it's okay. He always says yes, but it's a gesture we do. So. Yeah. [00:25:10] Speaker B: Is he married yet? [00:25:13] Speaker A: Ferdinand is not Merit. No. No, he isn't. Not so far. We're always watching with interest, and we're trying to Snap, snatch little, little bits of information from the younger generation, but they're very tight lipped about it. [00:25:26] Speaker B: Of course they are. So just to be for people who are watching this who might not understand, I want to be clear because I've seen people on X confuse this. Explain where you are in the family as far as your descendant, who you descend from and your relationship to blessed Carl, who is the last reigning emperor of the Australian, Austria, Hungarian Empire. Because I've noticed people think you're actually the next in line or something like that. And we've been talking about Ferdinand, who actually is in the direct line from blessed Carl. But where, where do you stand in your family, your immediate family stand in that? [00:26:02] Speaker A: We have four branches of the family. I'm in the youngest of those four branches, the Hungarian branch. We descend from Archduke Joseph who went to Hungary in 1790. And then you have the Tuscany branch, the descendants of Archduke Ferdinand of Tuscany. All of that, all the four branches sort of shaped themselves around 1800. And then you had the Teschen branch, the descendants of Archduke Charles, who was the first man to beat Napoleon in a land battle in Aspern. But those are nearly gone. There's very few left of those. And then you, what I call the Vienna branch, which is all the descendants of Francis II and then Franz Joseph and then Emperor Karl and his siblings. And that's the Vienna branch. So I am from the youngest branch. I am the penultimate Habsburg. Only my brother Paul is, is lower down. He's a priest. And people always like to say the, the Holy Roman Emperor followed me or something like that. And I always try to, to, to lower expectations. I would have to kill about 90 Habsburgs to become Emperor. And the answer usually is. So you say there's a chance. [00:27:27] Speaker B: Exactly. The meme always has to come up. So there's a chance. Exactly. So which emperor like would be your great, you know, a grandfather which was, which was like the emperor that you would like you to send is an uncle, the Emperor. [00:27:42] Speaker A: I descend directly from his Emperor Franz Joseph and Empress Elizabeth Sissy. But of course everybody above that. I mean Francis ii, Empress Maria Theresia, Emperor Maximilian, the last night everybody back until Rudolph of Habsburg in 1273. So quite an interesting family branch. [00:28:05] Speaker B: So you are directly descended from France, Emperor Franz Joseph? [00:28:09] Speaker A: Yes, I do. But not the Habsburg way, because his daughter married a prince of Bavaria, Gisela, and their daughter Augusta married my great grandfather from the Hungarian branch of the Habsburgs. And so I descend off Franz Joseph, but not directly. [00:28:31] Speaker B: Okay, okay. [00:28:32] Speaker A: So not direct from the Mainland, Right, right, exactly. [00:28:35] Speaker B: Okay, so we're talking about the Haasburgs, and we've mentioned a couple times Blessed Carl and I. I kind of mentioned already that in a couple weeks on March. Boy, I don't have the date now. It's 7th. March 7th. [00:28:50] Speaker A: 7Th. March 7th. [00:28:51] Speaker B: March 7th. In Dallas, there's going to be a Blessed Carl symposium. Both you and I are speaking. There's some other great speakers as well. The granddaughter of Blessed Carl, your son. I saw d'. Ambrosio. What's his first name? I can't remember now. He's great. And of course, it's all organized by David Ross, who. He's funny. David Ross, the guy who organizes because he's a great speaker. He might be one of the best speakers every year. And yet he's not. Like, he doesn't promote himself as a speaker. He's just, like, organizing. But he always gives a talk. And honestly, I often think that's the best talk of the event. He's just so inspiring. I think he could be a Baptist preacher, honestly. [00:29:33] Speaker A: Absolutely. I see him standing in front of a huge audience in a church, and he would get them all. All of them. David Ross is absolutely fantastic. The great thing about the Blessed Car Conference in Dallas is, of course, the talks. Yes. But the atmosphere in the hall, the people you meet, the exchange, and being surrounded by dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of families with 7, 8, 9 children who have a deep devotion to blessed and Pro Carl. It's such a great event. It's such a great event. I'm looking forward every time I'm going there. And I would really heartily encourage anybody who can afford to go there to go there. I remember when I spoke there, there was a family queuing up to say hello after my talk. And they had, like, seven children. And I told them, where do you come from? And they told me, a town on the East Coast. And I said, so how did you get here? They said, we drove yesterday and tomorrow morning we're leaving, and we drive again the entire day to get home. They just. They left Friday very early in the morning to be in Dallas Friday, very late in the night, and they left the next morning to be back home very late at night. It's really worthwhile. It's quite an event. I mean, you find a few funny people there. There are some people who are just, you know, monarchists. Some of them have very, very special ways of expressing their joy about the Habsburgs. But it's really a place where. Because why do we do these Conferences. Why does the Ross family do these conferences? Because they believe that Blessed Carl stands for values that are important for our times, for the United States, even the United States, who are a continent that never had a monarchy, in fact, a continent whose whole founding myth is built upon fighting monarchs. And they can profit from a strong dose of Habsburg values. And that's what you get there. Meeting with people who think like you. Good talks and great encounters. [00:32:00] Speaker B: I have been to a lot of Catholic conferences and non catholic, you know, political conferences and various things in my life. I've organized many of them myself, and there's nothing like this one. When I come home from these, I've been to. I guess I've been to two or three now, and I come home, and the only thing I tell my wife is that exactly what you just said. The talks are great. And I don't want to diminish the talks at all because they're always informative. Great. But it really is. The value of the conference is just hanging out. And it's not like any other conference I've been to, as you said, some of the people are funny, and I love that. I love the funny people because, like, I just love people who are not like, okay, we have to be like every other American and act like everybody else and just be normal. We embrace our Catholic identity, and we love monarchy and we love the Habsburgs, and. And so there's something about it that I think is you. You cannot. It's not replicated anywhere else. Other conferences are great, but it really is that in when you're hanging out with people between talks and, you know, talking to the other speakers, but talking to just people who show up, it really is great. And so, in fact, I'm excited because my wife is coming with me this year, which is the first time she's been to one of these. Our daughter lives in Dallas, and so this year she's like, okay, you're going to Dallas and you're seeing our daughter, our oldest daughter, and I got to come with you one of these years. And so this year we're like, okay, well, you. Okay. The weird thing is, I do not know why, but flights between Cincinnati and Dallas are extremely expensive. And it's just. It's a weird thing because it shouldn't be like that. But anyway, we're like, this year, okay, we're doing it because I want her to come to the conference, see our daughter. We're coming a day early so we can hang out with my daughter. But. But be at the conference and Experience it because it really is, you know, such an event. So I am, I'm doing a sales pitch here, I admit, because people should sign up. I will put a link in the show notes. I think it's just Blessed Carl. Here, let me. Actually, I think I have it here. Blessedcarl.org or something like that. Where is it? Yeah, just blessedcarl.org, carl with a Karl. And I'll put a link in the show notes. But I really would encourage you if you can find a way to get there. It's in Dallas, Texas, March 7th. It really is worth it to go, you know. Yeah, you can skip my talk if you want to, but other than that, it's going to be, you know, it'll be a great, It'll be a great conference. And so just on that topic as well, you kind of touched on. But why do you think there's such an enthusiasm for Blessed Carl here in the United States? Because as you kind of hinted at, it's a weird thing. I mean, it's a monarch who was on the opposing side in the war in World War I. And so everything about him kind of screams almost anti American. Yet from what I understand, America is one of the largest places of devotion to Blessed Carl in the world. I mean, our parish just added a Blessed Carl shrine just two years ago. We have a, we got a relic, we have a beautiful painting, we have a bust and there's a little altar. And so like every time I go to church now, I take a little detour and I get. Go where the shrine is and say a prayer to Blessed Carl. And I'm not the only one. I mean, so why is this, why do you think this is happening in America in particular? [00:35:21] Speaker A: Eric, afterwards, I want to have your opinion. I'm very curious because my theory is that Americans are straightforward people who want to trust the world of someone else. It's the frontier spirit. You want to be able to shake hands with your neighbors and trust them. And I think Americans want to trust their political leaders. Now, the last years or decades have been rough and many Americans don't seem to find their trust in their political leaders anymore. And the Habsburgs are not all of them were perfect. Some of them had faults, some of them, all of them were sinners. But I could really find out by studying from my book about they tried to be good political leaders. They tried to be good sovereigns or monarchs to their people, looking after them and being true to a set of ethical values which was the Catholic faith. You knew where they came from and what they stood for. And Blessed Car was influenced in his political work by his faith. And he was a gentle and friendly man, an open and friendly, humorous, laughing man, a family father who deeply loved his wife. And he and his wife, when they were still Archduke and Archduchess before they became Emperors, went to visit the hospitals during the war. Where were the wounded, where in the trenches. I really believe that Blessed Car, but also quite a few other Habsburgs are very much what Americans would want their political leaders to be, even if they are across the great divide, not just of the Atlantic, but also of monarchy versus Republic. They feel that these are people who try to be upright and good. And I think that's my theory for the great attraction that Blessed Carl and the Habsburgs have in the United States. What do you think? [00:37:45] Speaker B: I think that there is a. Okay. I think that today's problems, political problems, cultural problems, things like that, a lot of them. A lot of them have their foundation in that decade of the 1910s and the World War I and everything surrounding that. That a lot of our issues, from the Federal Reserve here being created to our involvement in World War I and kind of directing. Trying to becoming the world power that directs. Everybody tells them what to do with Woodrow Wilson, things like that. I don't think. I'm not saying everybody recognizes that, but I think instinctively. I think instinctively people might see that. And Blessed Carl is literally in that time, going the other direction. And he's really the one person. If you look at the 1910s, it really is an era of some really bad stuff going on. And so some, like the modern world really, I think, comes from that. That. That decade. Everything we have comes from a decade. And Blessed, I mean, you could say Czar Nicholas II as well on some level as well, was. Was against a lot of that, too. But I think Blessed Carl in particular represented the one force that was saying, no, this isn't the right direction. This, you know, this insane war, first and foremost, that's actually what my talk's going to be about, is. Is Blessed Carl is the Emperor of Peace. But this insane world we've. This insane war we've got, we've all been kind of dragged into. And he wasn't claiming that he was, like, above anybody else or free from it, because he's obviously directing the war. He didn't start it. He was, you know, he inherited it. [00:39:30] Speaker A: But his. He. [00:39:31] Speaker B: He saw how insane it was. And. And then also just the. The insanity of what Woodrow Wilson did and everything going on there, like I think that there's this instinctual. He's very anti modernity. And I think more and more people, especially young people, are recognizing the problems of modernity. And so Blessed Carl kind of just stands out even, like I said, even if they haven't thought this all through, like I'm saying right here, he just comes across as a very anti modern figure in the best ways. I mean, I'm like, I'm with you. I, I like a lot of modernity. I'm not like anti modernity in the sense of like, oh, you know, let's go back to living in huts or something like that. But the, the ins. The craziness of modernity. I think. Busted. Carl really does represent that, again, a force against that, a personality against that. And I do think a lot of it is his standing up for peace. Because I do think a lot more and more Americans, especially young people, are getting tired of us continually getting involved in overseas conflicts and just thinking that we have to militarily get involved with everything. And, and Blessed Carl really represented a ruler who was, who had been involved in war directly. This is not some peace nick hippie who, who had never seen. He saw directly the evil, the horror of war. And that's why he won. He wanted to. That's why he strove for peace. So I think those are some of the factors that I think have made him an attractive figure to a lot of Americans. [00:41:07] Speaker A: Yes, very good. I agree. That sounds very, very right. [00:41:12] Speaker B: Okay, so now I want to talk about something else here. Like, okay, you were 10 years Ambassador of Hungary to the Vatican, correct? [00:41:19] Speaker A: About. [00:41:19] Speaker B: About a decade, wasn't it? So now I know when you were the ambassador, you had to be diplomatic all the time, but can you tell us a little bit what that was like? Including some, the best parts of it, but also the worst parts. I'm not telling you to dish about people or anything like that, but just like, what did you like about it the most and what did you not like about being ambassador to the Vatican? [00:41:43] Speaker A: I like nearly everything. It was an incredible privilege. [00:41:47] Speaker B: Positive about everything. I love it. [00:41:48] Speaker A: No, it really, it was, as I sometimes told journalists, it's a bit like being a child locked into a chocolate factory overnight. I'm passionate about history. I'm passionate about church history. I love the popes. I love faith. I'm also a script writer and a writer and I speak languages. I love journalists. I, it's, it's. I love Roman history. I absolute passionate about Roman history. I've been, I've been studying Roman history as part of my studies. All of that made this a very, very special task and job. And at the beginning of our talk, I told you about this atmosphere of courtesy and wholesomeness that I tried to spread on X. This is the atmosphere that you meet. When you meet with representatives of the Holy See, you have a state that is not being ruled by, but at least run on a very traditional protocol, and you are being really treated well there. And on the other hand, it's really a fascinating job because from a political point of view, when you're the ambassador of Hungary to the Holy See, say you're the ambassador of Hungary to the United States, and the United States, they have a meeting with some president from another country. There will be a press kit, there will be a press conference. They will write about what they did, all the details. The Vatican, they don't say anything. The Pope meets someone, and you'll get two lines in the Bolatino online, and that's it. Because they have no interest to talk about what they're doing. So that makes this a very interesting job because you have to try to see behind the scenes, try to understand, try to get people to trust you to tell you what's really going on, because you don't follow the narrative propaganda statements that come from the Sala Stampa, because that is narrative. You have to find out what's really going on. And it's. It's really fascinating. Then the other fascinating thing is I like to say you get paid to go to Mass. Part of my job is to regularly go. Was to regularly go to Mass, because every embassy, when they have the national holiday celebration in Rome, they just don't make a cocktail or a conference to celebrate it, but always a Mass. So you regularly go to the Slovak ambassador's Mass in that church and a few days later to the Argentinian ambassadors. Mass in that. In that church. And you go to Mass a lot. I always say you don't have to be Catholic to work here. But I don't know how an atheist or an agnostic does it, because I'm very reminded of a wonderful quote in my second Habsburg book. I think in my second book on the wholesome family. Oh, it wasn't the first. The French ambassador to the Habsburg court in Vienna wrote back. That was under Leopold I, who was a deeply devout Baroque ruler who began his day by listening to three Masses reading along in his missal. And the French ambassador wrote home, between. Between Maundy Thursday and Easter Sunday, I have knelt at least 100 hours because Catholic faith and masses were part of what the Habsburg court did, and the entire court and the Habsburg family and the entire city and of course, all the ambassadors. And something of that is to be felt around the Vatican. You go to many, many holy Masses. The other thing that's also interesting is your counterparts that you talk to state secretaries or under state secretaries or even ministers are all priests. It's like you have a second parallel access to them by being a Catholic and by knowing that they are priests and knowing what the mindset of a priest is, knowing what is really important to a priest, knowing that they've just said their morning Mass when you meet them in the nine o' clock meeting. It's. It's quite something. It's really quite something. [00:46:26] Speaker B: Now, I was gonna say, now, you represented, of course, Hungary, and I'm sure the. The political program, so to speak, of Hungary doesn't always align with the Vatican. It's not going to be perfectly aligned. So did you have situations where you had delicate. You know, you were trying to advocate for something for Hungary that the Vatican really wasn't on board with? And how did you. How did you deal with that? [00:46:59] Speaker A: First of all, when you arrive as a diplomat to the Holy See, you will Try to find 3, 4, 5 topics that you want to. That you want to bring ahead. Things where you feel that the Vatican and Hungarian politics intertwine and go well together. I came with about five or six. I changed two of those. I have to say there was not much enthusiasm at the Holy See for our family politics over the years, friendly interest by the Pope. But I basically expected the red carpet to be rolled out for a country that tries to encourage families to have more children, that protects the family, that helps them financially, that all of it. Family was not one of the key topics of the Holy See over the last 10 years. One of the key topics, of course, was migration. And you're absolutely right, that was one of the topics where in some aspects, we had different opinions than Pope Francis and especially a few people around him. But you could always find quotes by Pope Francis and statements from him that very much aligned with our ideas about migration. Pope Francis was one of the people that you could find quotes for almost any position because he was in a positive way, let's say he was very balanced. And I could always find arguments for what we did in Pope Francis speeches. So I never had real problems keeping the contact between Hungary and the Holy Sea. Pope Francis was incredibly generous with the Hungarians, and journalists never believed me that because they would Think, oh, he's for unlimited migration and Hungary is against. So he must hate you. He never did. We found out why that was the case when he came to Hungary for the second time in three years. And they began talking about the experiences that shaped his ideas of Hungary. Encounters in his youth, encounters as a priest, encounters with nuns when he was a bishop. He just loved hungary from the 1960s on. I could tell whenever I brought Hungarians to him at the Wednesday audience or anywhere else, he would always beam and smile and say a few expressions in Hungarian and without accent. Quite surprising. So my work was really easy. Pope Francis never was confrontational when you met him. He would try to find common ground. He was very good at that. And so I don't really have any bad, bad experiences. Yes, I have to be. I had a bit of a tough time during COVID because the Vatican for a certain time, tried to be more papal than the Pope in implementing regulations. And that wasn't always easy. But apart from that, it was a glorious, enriching, wonderful time. And I hope I did my country a service. I always took it as my duty to not only let the Vatican know what Hungary thinks, but always also trying to make Hungary understand what the Holy See does and why the Holy See does it. And that went really well. Sorry, my throat is a bit scratchy. Soil. Thank you. [00:51:00] Speaker B: I understand. That's okay. [00:51:02] Speaker A: Okay. [00:51:02] Speaker B: So you just recently, though, left and are no longer the ambassador to the Vatican, but you. And you joined. I saw the Danube Institute. I think it's a visiting fellow or something like that. So could you explain first of all what the Danube Institute is and what you are doing, if you know what you're doing yet? Because I know it's very new, like you just started, I think, very recently. So could you kind of let us know what that's all about? [00:51:26] Speaker A: It's a political think tank. They produce geopolitical analysis and papers, about 50 per year. They do conferences. They do mostly transatlantic relations into the English speaking world. And as far as I understand, my job is going to be to be Mr. Family at Danube Institute. Anything about family, Family, politics, faith, history, tradition. But also I'm going to be one of the people reaching out to the United States and to circles of Catholics that are friendly to Hungary. There are a lot, a lot of Catholics that like Hungary, also in bc. And that's what I've already been doing cautiously over the last weeks. But I'm just getting into it. I'm also beside my Danube Institute job, still Hungarian ambassador at large for family Church institutions and pro life. [00:52:35] Speaker B: In practice. [00:52:40] Speaker A: In practice it means that I sometimes go to conferences and speak about what Hungary does in these sectors. It allows me to continue connections with Odyssey, connections with. For instance, I give you one example. I'll be at a conference in Strasbourg. End of March where we're going to speak about protecting family in Europe nowadays against the dangers of transgenderism and what Hungary is doing for that I'm going to speak at that conference. Recently the European Union has decided to defund the family organization of the European Bishops Conference fafce and we're going to protest against that. That would be a thing that I would not do with my Danube Institute hat, but with my ambassador at large hat, but I'm still figuring it out. [00:53:49] Speaker B: In the end, that's an official government position. Ambassador at large for the Hungarian government, correct? [00:53:55] Speaker A: Yes. Ambassador at large is a special ambassador post for a topic or for a special time. And, and then, you know, my deputy prime minister will tell me, edward, we would like you to go to that conference and speak about our helpful for families. And I'll do that. [00:54:14] Speaker B: So somebody in America was having like a family or pro life conference and they were talking about international, you know, pro life initiatives and things like that. They might invite you as a representative of Hungary to speak on that topic. [00:54:28] Speaker A: Yes. [00:54:28] Speaker B: Okay. [00:54:29] Speaker A: Yes. Okay. [00:54:30] Speaker B: That's great. I think that's awesome because I, I, I'm not, I make no claims to be an expert on Hungarian politics or European policies like that, but everything I've seen has been very positive about Hungary's emphasis on the family. And I, I think that's great. And they really have gone a different direction than a lot of Western Europe has. And so I, I think having somebody like you to represent that, that's is great. And so, and the Danube Institute, though that's just a private Hungarian based, but it's just a private institute. Correct. Think tank. Correct. [00:55:02] Speaker A: It's a Hungarian institute that is situated in Budapest. And, and, and it's, but as I say, it's mostly reaching out of Hungary where we're, we're doing international stuff and in English mostly because Hungary is a small country, we have less than 10 million inhabitants. But, but Hungary is a symbol very strongly outside of its borders for many people out there. So we're trying to, we're trying to work in that direction. [00:55:31] Speaker B: So mostly the writing and speaking is going to be your, your main. [00:55:34] Speaker A: Yes, writing, speaking, conferences, talks, encounters. Yes, mostly that. I'm also trying to, we're organizing a family conference in March. We're going to try to invite a few people from the United States. States. And yes, so very similar in a way to what I've been doing around the Holy Sea and to. Yeah. But again, I'm still figuring it out. Yeah. [00:56:03] Speaker B: Well, as the heir of an online Catholic magazine, I have to say, I have to say this, which is you're always invited to write for us. We love to have if you have something you want to write about about what Hungary's doing or about just the family pro life in general. Always will always be open to that. So had had to put that plug in there. So we'd love to have you. [00:56:25] Speaker A: Thank you very much. I have heard you. Good. [00:56:29] Speaker B: And then the last thing I wanted to bring up though was I saw when I was looking at your X feed yesterday, I had no idea about this till yesterday, but that you have written a book, I think it's in German right now, on the Traditional Latin Mass. And so two questions. First of all, what is kind of the purpose of this book? And secondly, will there be an English version of it coming out anytime soon? [00:56:53] Speaker A: So, yes, the book is on the Traditional Latin Mass. There's going to be an English version. It's going to come out soon. Sophia Press is on the job and it's a little brochure. It's something you can put into your back pocket of your jeans. And my idea was when I stumbled into my first two traditional Latin masses somewhere 10 years ago or 15 years ago, I was brought there by well meaning people who wanted me to get to know this liturgy. I came out with the firm decision never, ever, ever to do that again. What a weird bunch of people. What a weird, weird way of liturgy. What a strange and alien landscape this Mass was. Never again had someone given me a little brochure like the one that I've written. It would have softened the blow. I would have known what I was getting into. But these people who brought me there were naive enough not to give me any explanation before because many traditional Catholics believe that just the experience of the Traditional Latin Mass is enough to blow you away and to immediately understand what this is about. And that's not for me. It was very much not the case. I was firmly Novus Ordo until far into my 50s and my marriage, my growing up with raising my children, everything was today's normal Catholic Mass. And whenever I encountered a Traditional Latin Mass, I thought it was a bunch of weirdos, weird people in love with a black and white photograph of the past, stiff and outspoken people who said words that Were unpleasant, like heretic or things like that. So I was full of prejudice and. And the brochure is my trying to put away some of these obstacles. It is, I would say, 40% personal testimony and 60% the parts of the Mass. It has suggestions. How to go about when you go to your first Traditional Latin Mass, how to find your way, which online resources to use, how to pray along. It is very alien for people who go to today's Mass. The whole concept is different. I liken it. Not in my booklet, but in talks. I usually say it's like if you're used to taking a beautiful walk in the parks every Sunday afternoon, and you have birds and you have a little. A little river, and you have dogs jumping around in flowers, and somebody says, now do your Sunday walk here. And he puts you on the surface of the moon. It's cold, it's stony, it's dark. It's different. Like in the tradition of the Mass, nobody smiles at you and tells you it's so great you're here. The priest doesn't smile at you. He looks up at the tabernacle. You only see his back for most of the Mass. Sometimes you don't even realize when the Mass has begun because it begins so quietly. Suddenly he's there, and there are alien parts. The gestures and the vestments seem stiff and alien to many people. So I try to explain all of that. And at the end I have a chapter where I explain what happened in our family after we began attending Traditional Latin Mass, what it did to my children and to my wife and me. I always thought that you can't learn a new trick as an old dog. I was a very old dog. As a Catholic, I'd seen everything from Medjugorje via Opus dei. I never was a member, but I met them in my youth. I was in the charismatic movement for 10 years. I was a Norman Catholic years. And I thought I'd seen it all. And then this came along, and it really made a serious difference in my life for the first time that strongly. It changed everything for me and my children. And that's why I want many people to. To at least to give it a chance and to give it a fair shot. And if. And a fair shot. You can give it if you know a bit what you're getting into once you go into the first. So I have it in German. It'll come out in English. An Italian translation is in the works and a French translation in the early works. And I hope I'm going to push a Few people to. To take a peek. [01:01:54] Speaker B: That's wonderful, because I think that's very much needed because you definitely have those people who, like, once you've gone for a while at Churchill, at Mass, as you're right, we become somewhat just so taken in by it that we kind of forget what it's like when it's very foreign to you. I had. I have a very similar background to you. I mean, I. I was involved with charismatic Catholics, Opus dei, some, you know, various different, you know, no, sort of most of my Catholic life and things like that. And the first traditional Mass I went to, I didn't realize they started until about 10 minutes in because it was a low Mass. And I was so unimpressed. I was like, why do people talk about this? Like, this is the greatest thing in the world. Now I'm doing it. But like, at the time, I was just like. And like you, I thought a bunch of weirdos a lot of times. And the funny thing is, now I still think it's a bunch of weirdos, but now I think that's a good thing because I'm one of them, so it's okay, you know, but really, it's like you realize being weird in today's culture isn't actually a bad thing anymore. You know that, as you might have thought when you're youth, so and so, yeah, I had very similar. And this is great because I know there's times where somebody will go. I mean, there are people I know. I have a very good friend who started attending our parish a couple years ago after Covid, and he said he was sold the first Mass he went to. He went to a sung Mass. It was so beautiful. He had been attending his parish, which is a good. Good diocesan parish for. For years. He got married in it. I mean, 30, 40 years. All his kids were. Received their sacraments there. He came to this once, and he's like, I'm never going. I'm never going back. And he didn't. And he never says anything bad about his old parish. It's not like he's like, he. He appreciates so much that parish, but he's like, I. After I've seen this, I can't. And so that's like a grace I didn't have. And it's just probably. It's probably actually a wisdom and a way of seeing things better than. Than maybe you and I have. But, like, he recognized it immediately, but that's not the norm. And so, like, the fact that having a little booklet like this, I can't wait to get it because sometimes we'll have people who will come to our parish the first time and you can kind of tell they're just like, you know, I don't know, like I invite people and they will come. Like people who just are, you know, locals who are. Go to their regular Catholic mass and, and they'll. We'll kind of see my wife or I will invite them. I'd love to be able to give this to them, something like this to be like. [01:04:17] Speaker A: The idea was, the idea was that every parish honors a heap like this. They are for next to nothing. In Germany you only pay, I think the cost of the postage or something. The idea is that you can spread it easily. And if somebody says, now what's all this Latin mass craziness about? You just say, read this, read this. It's a very, you know, I have like details like you go to your first Latin Mass. Do you go to a silent mass in the morning or do you go to a fully sun mosque with everything else? I have my own opinions on that. I think it's something of character. I personally think the way to really get to know it is a silent Mass because you see the whole alien structure far more when you go to a sang Mass, it sometimes is very similar to Novus other sang Masses in the way it is done. And the alien ness doesn't get you that much. I was in the privileged position of after having been dragged by my wife to the first Latin Mass and I described this in the book and I was being hit by the silence between the Sanctus and the Our Father. That blew me away. The absolute. Like, you know, in, in today's Mass you have to sing and interact until seconds before the consecration and then immediately after you have to sing again. And you. There's no moment for appreciating what's going on, right? And in this it was like, what is this? It's silence. Silence. More silence. It was always pressing on my ear. I wasn't used to that much silence. And then immediately I began trying to serve as an altar boy at a few masses at a site altar with a priest who taught me how to serve at the traditional Latin Mass. And that really helped me to get to know it because, you know, I've been being. I was an altar boy all my life. I was sure I can do this, no problem. I can serve at the altar. And it is so hard. It's so different. You understand the differentness of it when you serve as an altar boy. And so my Personal take is. Yeah, I don't know. Characters are different. Some people need to go to a full pontifical Mass with incense investments. I always tell people the three things that people immediately say. Oh, you trads. You just go there for incense. Gregorian chant investments. I didn't care. For instance, I didn't care for Gregorian chants, and I'm not interested in investments. That was not what attracted me to it. But other people are. Other people will be simply blown away by the beauty of it. And so, yeah, I hope I can encourage many people to try it out. [01:07:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:08] Speaker A: And I. I write this in my book. Of course, I still go to today's Mass. I'm not one of the people who only. Only goes to Latin Mass, but if I can, I go to Latin Mass. And that's my. That's my modus operandi. In Rome, it was very easy because you have an incredible choice wherever you want. [01:07:28] Speaker B: I. I'm definitely. I can't wait for it to come out. And I'm going to try to talk my pastor into maybe having a few in the back of church or somewhere that we can for people who are visiting to. To look into. And I just think it's interesting because, like you said, different characters, different things. Like, I've been attending traditional at Mass pretty regularly for 15 years now. Yeah, 15 years. 2011 is when I started. And it's just now, literally just in the last month or two, I've decided I'm going to start following along the Latin and trying to understand the Latin more immediately. Like, I've always just looked at the English side of the missile and. [01:08:03] Speaker A: Really? [01:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah, always. I'm not a language guy. You're a language guy that we're opposite on that. I am terrible at languages. I'm. I can't even. I can barely do them in English. So, like, you know, it's like trying to learn another language. I. I learned biblical Greek years ago, and to read it but not hear it or speak it very well. But. So I've been. My wife, she teaches Latin. One of my daughters was a Latin major in college. My high school daughter is really into studying Latin. Well, so, you know, it's on that side, but not me. But I was like, no, I'm gonna actually go along with the Latin not just to kind of hear sounds, but to really understand, okay, what is. And so I'm starting just with the prayers that's. Of the altar and just kind of like, okay, focus on just following the Latin there and being able to know what's being said and Understand what's being said, but that's after 15 years. And so the reason I'm telling this is that another big thing I, you hear people say is like, I don't know Latin. I'm not a scholar. Why would I want to go to Mass in Latin or something like that? Well, I've gone for 15 years without understanding Latin. Now you pick things up. I know when the creed is sung. I know what's being said because I know the creed and the words are similar enough that I can follow along. But the point is, is that you don't have. There's different types of people. Some people who are super into Latin. They. They love that aspect of it. But I. I never have been. I want to enter into it because I feel like doing that. I. I feel like just another way I can kind of focus my. My mind on these prayers in a deeper way by actually reading, you know, understanding them in Latin. So this is just another, you know, I'll go on and on about. But, like, I. Really excited about your book, though. [01:09:45] Speaker A: One, One thing that helped me very much was I read a description once of how a Holy Mass was followed by the. By the. By the faithful. In the Middle Ages or in the 16th century, most people didn't have a missile. They couldn't afford it. Some of them couldn't read. Many of them didn't understand the Latin, but that wasn't important. And this incredibly relaxing and salubrious message of the Latin Mass is, it's not so much about you. What's happening is happening. You are present. You watch with your eyes. You pray with your eyes. You pray by watching what the priest does. It's incredibly wonderful. And some Masses, you will read along and follow every word and be excited. And some masters, the book is closed, and you just watch and it's okay. And as the priest once said, when I was kneeling as an altar boy behind him, and I said, but I don't understand what you're saying. And he says, I'm not talking to you. I think that's a wonderful, wonderful thing. I understood a lot then. So, again, I have no aggressions whatsoever against today's Mass. And it was the Mass that shaped me, formed me, and made me a Catholic. All my life I've just had the impression to have discovered an afterburner that has totally given me a total new dimension. And it's wonderful. And not me, just my children, too. So it changed so much. And I want other people to experience that. And if it's nothing for you you go back to your church and be happy. Because what you learn as a cradle Catholic is that Catholic goes from here all the way to here. There's a lot of space for everybody and. [01:11:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that's wonderful. Okay, so we'll wrap it up there, but I want to make sure. So I will put links, I said, like I said, to the Blessed Carl symposium to your books and I'm going to put a link to your X account. And I assume is that the best way for people to kind of know what's going on with you and like your work with the Daniel to win the English yes. Version of the book comes out? Stuff like that. Okay, great. I will definitely. [01:11:56] Speaker A: And you can also reach out to me via direct message. If I find the time. I will. I will react and answer. So, yes, X is the best place to meet me. [01:12:06] Speaker B: Okay, great. Okay, well, thank you very much. I really appreciate you coming on. I will see you then in a few weeks in Dallas, right? [01:12:14] Speaker A: Yes, very much so. Looking forward to. [01:12:17] Speaker B: Okay, everybody, until next time. God love you.