Is the Trump Administration Pro-Life?

[00:00:00] Foreign. [00:00:11] As the pro life world prepares for this year's March for Life this week, some pro lifers are questioning the pro life commitment of the Trump administration, while others are defending it. [00:00:22] So is this administration really pro life or not? That's what we talk about today on Crisis Point Hill. I'm Eric Sammons, your host, editor in chief of Crisis magazine. A couple things to note before I get started. First is there is construction still going on at my house right above my head. And so when you hear things in the background, that's what it is. I think. [00:00:42] I think this is the last week. I hope this is the last week. I think they're going to be finished this week. So we won't have this anymore after this week. The second thing is we are for the first time live on Rumble. I have posted videos in the past. Rumble. I had some technical problems. Rumble in the past, but we are live streaming. If anybody has an account on Rumble, I'd love for you to go there and make a comment to see if it shows up in the live chat for us on our end. But, you know, we'll see if Rumble works or not. And also, last thing is, this is our Tuesday afternoon live podcast, so feel free to make your comments and we'll try to talk about some at the end. [00:01:19] Okay, so this week, this Thursday is January 22nd, which of course is the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, which, praise God, is no longer the law of the land. But it also means it's the time for the March for Life, which is on Friday. I'm sure many people in this audience are probably going to the March for Life, at least praying for it. [00:01:40] This is the time of year pro lifers kind of talk about, okay, how's the pro life movement doing? [00:01:45] What are we up to? What's going on? [00:01:48] And so it's a good time to discuss these things. Discuss where we are now at this year's March for life. J.D. vance, Vice President Vance, is speaking again. He spoke at last year's March for Life. Donald Trump spoke at the 2019 March for Life. [00:02:07] But the question becomes, is the Trump administration really pro life? [00:02:13] And now, okay, first, let me get one thing out of the way to make it clear. Of course, it's far better on abortion and life issues than a Kamala Harris administration would have been. Oh, my gosh. It's even saying that a Kamala Harris administration kind of gives me the heebie jeebies. [00:02:33] And it's obviously more pro life and better on life issues than the Biden administration was So I just want to get that out of the way. Any criticisms we make of the Trump administration have to be understood that we're not saying it's worse than the Biden administration or a Harris administration, but it is saying, I do think as pro lifers we should be very, we should have a certain high standard of what we expect from the, from the administration. And so is the administration really living up to that? Is it enough what they're doing or can they do more? [00:03:08] Now I've kind of thought about this a little bit because a recent article in the Washington Examiner, I'll pull up the headline here by Peter laffin back on January 10, a couple weeks ago it said Trump Vance is the most anti life Republican administration in history. [00:03:23] Now, as somebody who is the editor of a magazine, an online magazine, I know how important headlines are. They need to grab your attention. And sure enough, laughing grabbed our attention with this examiner headline, Trump Vance is the most anti life Republican administration in history. [00:03:40] And that's pretty, those are pretty strong words. And of course he's going off of the very commonly said that Trump administrat Trump is the most pro life president in history. And so I think he obviously disagrees with that. [00:03:54] Laffin had two different main criticisms of the Trump administration when he in his article. The first is that the administration's defense of the abortion drug mifepristone. [00:04:07] Now mifepristone is the basically, I think it's the same as the old RU486 we used to call it, but it's the abortion drug that you can basically have an at home abortion. [00:04:17] During the Biden era, they made it possible to allow this abortion drug to be prescribed via telehealth and sent through the mail, which of course really makes it, I mean it really expands abortion access to every single woman in America. Because if you can do it through telehealth and through the mail, anybody, no matter what your state laws are, you could probably receive this. [00:04:44] And then also another thing that Laffan notes is that the Health and Human Services, they approved a generic version of mifepristone. [00:04:53] And so this was also expanding make it more available to get the abortion drug. And, and as Peter Laffin notes in his article, this essentially nullifies the overturning of Roe v. Wade, because what Roe v. Wade did by overturning, I should say Roe v. Wade, what happened was is that now all of a sudden each state could have its own abortion laws. And so some states might have very strict abortion laws, other states might have Very liberal. But there would be some states where abortion, you couldn't go to an abortion clinic because there'd be no legal abortion clinics and get an abortion, or at least it'd be very difficult. You'd have to only within the first few weeks of pregnancy, things like that. Real restrictions came into place and they saved many lives. We can't forget that they saved many lives. [00:05:40] But if you can just basically get a prescription to mifepristone by telehealth through the mail, well, all bets are off. You could live in a state with restrictive abortion laws and still receive that and therefore still have an abortion. [00:05:56] So this was a big criticism, I mean, because the Trump administration basically has expanded access to the abortion drug. [00:06:03] His other big criticism of the Trump administration is that is when Trump recently asked Republicans to be flexible on the Hyde Amendment. Now, the Hyde Amendment is a long term from Henry Hyde, the old senator from, I think Illinois, and I can't remember that basically bans federal funds for abortion. [00:06:24] But Trump said be flexible on this to Republicans in negotiating over Obamacare, you know, keeping Obamacare going. Now, first of all, Obamacare should be completely scrapped. Not one Republican should vote for continuing Obamacare. But they all are. Most of them are. And Trump is supportive of it. And they have all these reasons why. But ultimately we knew this would happen. When Obamacare was put into law, I think it was 2014, everybody knew that means it's here to stay. Because has ever a major bill, major law that implemented a new bureaucracy in government ever been rescinded? I don't think so, at least not in American history that I know of. And so they should be overturning Obamacare in whole. But that's not the point here. [00:07:12] Trump basically told the Republicans be flexible in the Hyde Amendment. Now, this is something no Republican president has ever been flexible on. Every Republican president's being for the Hyde Amendment. [00:07:25] And in fact, many Democrats have been for the Hyde Amendment. And so this was really kind of an undercutting of the pro life cause by Trump yet. And so Peter Laffin is very critical of this in his Washington Examiner. And his ultimate point is he thinks pro life leaders are too cozy with the Trump administration. They've gotten too embedded, too wedded to the Trump admin. [00:07:49] They're not willing to criticize it when it does some actions like he mentions because they are in deep with them and they're afraid if they do criticize the Trump administration, then they won't have that access they currently have and they won't be able to work with them potentially in the future. [00:08:07] And so, but the problem is, according to Laffin, is that if that's the case, if you don't criticize and call out the Trump administration, they're not going to care about pro life issues. They're not going to care about your agenda because you're not making it difficult for them. I mean, politics, part of it is lobbying groups. They're trying to make life difficult for politicians who go against them. Well, if the pro life movement just goes and doesn't say anything against Trump administration, no matter what it does on pro life issues, well then what's the point? This is laughing. This is what? Laughing, saying so now in response, oh, and also I okay, so in response, my friend Joshua Mercer, who is with Catholic Vote, I'm a big supporter Catholic Vote. I think they do a lot of great work. I have a little criticism here of Joshua's, his article. But the point is I do think overall I like the work they do. He responded in the Washington examiner to Peter Laffin's article. Now, I want to note that in Laffin's article he takes a swipe at Catholic Vote because he says in one of the concluding paragraphs, he says the annual march for Life in Washington, D.C. is coming up in late January. [00:09:20] Will the speakers be bold and tell the inconvenient truth that this White House is pro abortion to the bone, or will they continue to cozy up and hope for table scraps and cozy appointments? An ambassador to the Vatican, Ambassadorship to the Vatican perhaps, while the number of unborn deaths continues to climb month after month, year after year. Now, I highlighted that part in ambassadorship to the Vatican perhaps because of course, what he's referring to is the former head and I think maybe founder of Catholic Vote, Brian Birch, was appointed the ambassador to the Vatican by Donald Trump. And so he's basically saying that he's accusing Catholic Vote and other pro life organizations of being so cozy, wanting these appointments, stuff like that, that they're not willing to stand up. They're letting unborn children die without speaking out for them. [00:10:04] And so Joshua Mercer, obviously who works for the Catholic Vote, takes exception to this argument. [00:10:10] But I will say that Joshua's article didn't really directly address Feodor Laffin's points because he focused more on like kind of practical, high up level matters, like just the idea of pro life groups need to work with the administration. [00:10:28] And he criticized people like Peter Laffin who are just talking heads, desk jockeys who are just criticizing, saying all these things wrong. But they're not really doing the hard work of making pro life laws happen. [00:10:41] He does not actually address the two criticisms that Laffin has of the, of the Trump administration. [00:10:49] Mercer doesn't, but he basically just saying that, hey, we're in. We have our sleeves rolled up. We're in there trying to make a real difference. We're not just easily sitting at our desk in our basement saying, oh, you guys need to do more, they need to do more, and condemning people for. Who are actually in the, in the trenches, so to speak. He also lists some of Trump's pro life accomplishments. He mentions how he reinstated and expanded the Mexico City policy, which blocks federal funding for international NGOs that perform or promote abortion as a method of family planning. [00:11:22] He also implemented the Protect Life rule to insert and to ensure domestic taxpayer dollars were not used to subsidize abortion. However, he did that in the first term. Biden rescinded it, but Trump has not yet restored it. Mercer doesn't mention that, obviously. He mentions that fact that Trump nominated three justices to the Supreme Court who were vital in overturning Roe. I will note that all three of these things he mentions for in Trump's first term, he doesn't mention anything that Trump has done in this term for the pro life cause. And I think that's telling because I don't think Trump has done very much in the first term for the pro life cause. I'm sorry, in the second term for the pro life cause in his first year, at least. [00:12:06] One thing I also want to mention that's been in news recently, it wasn't mentioned by Peter Laffin or Joshua Mercer, is that Health and Human Services quietly released a frozen $27.5 million of government funding for Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers under Title 10. They had froze this back in. I think it was May or somewhere around there last year. [00:12:27] Well, they quietly released it again in December. I say quietly because they didn't make any comment about it. They didn't. There's no press release. It just happened and people found out about it. [00:12:39] Now, Catholic Vote actually defended this move. [00:12:43] And basically I don't have the guy's name written down, but somebody from Catholic Vote, Representative, Catholic Vote basically said federal officials were forced to choose between restoring the money or risking a court loss that could undermine broader efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. So the administration had two choices before them. Give up the money and be able to stop any future grants or fight it out in the courts where they would lose and also tie up other efforts to defund the abortion giant as a lawsuit went forward. So according to Catholic vote, the Trump administration, by releasing these funds, they're playing the long game. That somehow I didn't really understand this, by the way, if you do, great, explain it to me like I'm five, because I don't really understand why this is true. But according to Catholic folk, and I trust those guys, they know what they're talking about by, by opening up these funds, by unfreezing these funds, somehow that allows the Trump administration to later fight a bigger battle against funding for Planned Parenthood. But the fact is they did release $27.5 million. I'm not sure. I totally believe. Not that I don't believe Catholic, they would never lie, but, like, I'm not sure if that their argument really holds weight, but I'm willing to accept it for now. [00:13:58] The point is, though, like, I kind of want to, though. The point is, is the Trump administration, at least this Trump administration, I'm not talking about the first term, but this term, is it really a pro life administration? Truly pro life? I mean, what is our standard for making Donald Trump the most pro life president in history, which you hear all the time, which, by the way, I think is a stupid moniker because Roe v. Wade has only been with us since Richard Nixon. So it's not like most presidents were presidents under a. When abortion was legal. So is. Was Ronald Reagan more pro life than Abraham Lincoln or Andrew Jackson or John Adams? I mean, it's kind of dumb to say this, but under Roe v. Wade at least, the argument is that Donald Trump is more pro life than Bush than, I mean, obviously the Republicans, Bush, either Bush's or Reagan or Nixon or Ford. [00:14:48] But I think this is. I, I really feel like this is a. It's like it's a very low standard because those other Republican presidents were not very good at all on abortion. So being the most pro life doesn't really say much. It sounds like this great thing. [00:15:06] And again, way more pro life than. Than Kamala or the Democrats. [00:15:12] But is that really our standard, that, okay, you're more pro life than George H.W. bush was? [00:15:18] I mean, that's sad. That's pitiful. [00:15:22] And I think, honestly, I don't think this term Trump administration is more pro life than other Republican than like the George W. Bush or the Ronald Reagan presidencies, those administrations. [00:15:36] I think Trump, frankly, gets far more credit than he deserves for being pro life. By the way, when I say pro life, I will make this clear. I don't have the umbrella Idea of pro life, where we're talking about how you care for the homeless. You know, the father, James Martin, like, basically, you gotta be pro gay marriage to be pro life. That I'm talking about. When I say pro life, I mean truly life issues, life or death issues. So abortion, euthanasia, war, those are like the life issues where people will literally live or die based upon government policies here. [00:16:09] And so obviously, people who watch this podcast regularly know I, I'm, I'm question how pro life Trump is when it comes to war these days. He campaigned greatly on a very peace platform, but he just recently said last week he was irked that the Nobel Peace Prize committee didn't give him the Nobel Peace Prize. And he said, I'm not going to care about peace as much anymore. I'm only going to make. I care about more, making America strong and powerful. I'm not going to care about peace as much as I used to before. And obviously, war and peace is a very pro life issue because real people live and die based upon this. You know, 80 people died when he captured Maduro. [00:16:48] You know, people died. You know, people are dying in Gaza, have been dying in Gaza for a couple years with American support. [00:16:56] So, you know, I think that we have to be very careful. [00:17:00] I don't know how that's very pro life, but let's just stick to abortion. [00:17:05] So let's be honest. [00:17:07] Do you really think. I mean, I know I'm not a big Trump star. I voted for Trump in 2020. I voted for Trump in 2024. I'm not anti Trump. [00:17:15] That being said, to my very devoted, committed pro Trump people out there, do you really think in his heart of hearts, Donald Trump is actually that much against abortion? Or at least maybe it will work this way? Do you think he really cares about abortion that much? [00:17:33] I don't. I don't think he cares. Yeah, he might be like pro life in the sense, like he is anti abortion. He doesn't want widespread abortion. That might be his view, but I just don't think it's a very high priority. When you look at his priorities in his presidency, I think it's very low on the totem pole. [00:17:49] And in fact, you saw that when he ran in 2024. He didn't promote his pro life credentials very much. [00:17:56] And he seemed to be actually a little squishy on it. I remember he's the one who basically made it so the GOP platform was less pro life this time around. He promoted ivf. He still promotes IVF relentlessly And IVF is a horribly anti life procedure. A horribly anti life procedure. [00:18:15] Procedure. IVF is. And so if you don't know why you should, you should look it up. [00:18:21] But so, I mean, what has he actually, so he did not run on a strongly pro life platform, a strongly pro Life campaign in 2024. [00:18:33] It's almost like he's coasting 100% on the fact that Roe v. Wade was overturned by justices that he appointed. And I will not, not give him credit for that. I will give him credit for that, that he appointed justice. I don't think when he appointed his justices, by the way, he was, he had a pro life litmus test on them like, like the liberals do they have a pro death litmus test on their appointments. I don't think Trump had pro life one. I just think he had good advisors who gave him very good choices for judges that, that, that understood how unconstitutional Roe v. Wade was, which is great, by the way. That's great that he did that. He didn't have to do that. I mean, George W. Bush wanted to pick Harriet Myers, for God's sake, as a, as a Supreme Court justice because she was his personal lawyer or something. So I'm not taking away his credit for that. But all his acts have been in the past. I mean, basically his first term, he was. Okay, my opinion, my view is his first term, he was basically like any other Republican when it comes to abortion, except he's way better, way, way better in picking Supreme Court justices. So that's credit in his favor. That makes him more pro life than past Republican presidents. I grant that because he was the same on other things. But in this administration, this term, I have not seen it. I have not seen they care anything about abortion at all. [00:19:55] And I don't think, I just think it's a very low priority for the Trump administration. They're, in fact, I would say Trump is very happy with the state based status quo, the idea that the states can just decide it because it kind of takes it off of his plate. I don't think he ever wanted it on his plate. I think he's happy to have it off his plate. [00:20:16] But honestly, they're doing a lot of things at the federal level that are very anti life, like the promotion and the expansion of mifepristone, the, I mean, that's just awful. [00:20:28] The IVF promotion, the. [00:20:32] What was the other one? Oh, yeah, the being, you know, talking about being flexible in the Hyde amendment, showing he didn't really care that much about it. I mean, all These things, they're just simply not pro life. [00:20:42] And I do agree with Peter Laffin that I do think pro life organizations need to speak out against it. I remember during the campaign when some of us would complain about certain things Trump did, people would say, oh no, we can't do that, can't do that. You don't want Kamala Harris as president. But the truth is Trump would adjust course based upon feedback, based upon complaints he heard from his people. [00:21:07] And I think that can still be true. I don't think he will be as responsive now because he's basically he's in a sense a lame duck president because he can't run again, at least theoretically, we don't think he can and he's not gonna run. So he's not in a campaign right now. He doesn't have to make promises anym. [00:21:24] But I do think really pushing and I think honestly for the long term reasons, Vance needs to know. I mean, I do believe JD Vance is personally cares more about the abortion issue than Trump does, but he's been waffling on it. I've said it before, I'll say it again. I'm a JD Vance fan and it's hard to get me away from being a JD Vance fan. I know there's complaints about him, I know there's concerns about him, I have them too. But I just like J.D. vance in a way. I do not like Trump. I'm not saying I don't like Trump. What I'm saying is, is I like Vance. [00:21:55] I just connect to him more. I admit that and I think he is more truly pro life. But if he sees, if Vance sees during Trump's presidency, Trump doesn't have to do anything for pro life cause. And not only don't have to do anything, but he can even do anti life things and pro lifers will not even care and will still campaign for him and still tell everybody to vote for him and stuff like that. [00:22:15] Well, that sends a message to Vance when he runs and if he's the next president, he does not have to care that much. He doesn't have to do that much on the abortion issue. We need to keep our politicians feet to the fire. Yes, that does mean sometimes desk jockeys like myself, I will admit I am one of them, need to speak out and call out Trump, call out Vance when they're not good on this. [00:22:38] I also think there's a real need for organizations like Catholic votes and they do important work. And I'm not trying to undercut Catholic vote or any of the other pro life organizations, I think some pro life organizations are better than others. I'm not going to name names, but there are some pro life organizations. I honestly believe they just exist to exist. They almost want abortion to always be legal somewhere so they can remain in existence. I don't think that about Catholic Vote. I do think that about some of the pro life organizations, frankly. I mean, I've just had enough interactions with them to come to believe that. [00:23:14] And so they're not going to rock the boat. They're just going to do the standard every, every election cycle. Vote for this Republican, he's pro life and you don't want the Democrat because he's not. And you just, it's like just rubber stamp. They don't care. They don't care. Nothing really happens. Nothing changes. I do think Catholic Vote, on the other hand, is in the trenches trying to make real change. So perhaps Catholic Vote isn't the organization to always call out Trump, Trump and Vance. But I do think some need to call him out. Some need to say maybe Catholic Vote does at times need to call them out and say, you know, so I think there's a place for both is what I'm saying. I'm not going to condemn every pro life organization that doesn't come out and say Trump is doing terrible on this. But at the same time, I am calling on pro lifers, even if it's just individual pro lifers like you and me, to call out Trump, Vance, call out the Trump administration, say, you're not good on this. You have not been good in this term. [00:24:08] On the pro life issue. [00:24:10] I do hope you know, Vance is speaking at the March for Life this week and I do hope that will be, that will be an opportunity for make some announcement. Often this happens when a high official in the, in the administration speaks at the, at the March for Life. They make some announcements, some pro life initiative, they're doing something like that. I hope and pray that Vance does that. I hope it's not just a, and I hope it's not just a symbolic one, but a real one with some meat in it. So, but I do think so. I, I just, like I said, I am really want, I want, I've said this before. People I know sometimes don't like how much I criticize the Trump, Donald Trump and Trump administration. I do not have TDS or yeah, Trump, Jordan, tds. I am not anti Trump. I am pro Trump. But because I'm pro Trump, I feel like it's my duty and I think it's any Trump voter's duty, Trump supporter's duty to call him out when he's bad on something and he's bad on abortion issues this term. I mean he just is, he's bad on life issues. I think he's gotten much, far worse on War and Peace. And I also think he's gotten, he's just not been good on abortion. And so we need to call him out and, and say that. So he, I would not say, like Peter Laffin says, Trump Vance is the most anti life Republican administration in history. I would not say that. [00:25:30] At the same time I would say they need to do way better, the Trump administration needs to do it way better. I also think this is also an opportunity, I think for us pro lifers to remember, stop looking to Washington D.C. and to Donald Trump or to J.D. vance or to Mike Johnson, whoever, as kind of the central focus of the pro life movement. The fact is in a post Roe, in a Dobbs era, we need to focus much more on state and local issues, state and local initiatives. That's really where it happens. Now of course we get undercut when you allow mifepristone to be all over the country. But at the same time it's a good thing if we can at least do all we can to shut down abortion clinics locally, shut down, make abortion illegal in our states, in our local communities, to do everything we can to keep abortion outside of our communities. And of course the real hard work which is to make abortion unthinkable to people, to make a culture such that we are just naturally pro life and people recognize the horror of the holocaust of abortion, that's really where the majority of the work should be. In fact, if I had like you know, a pie chart of the work done by pro lifers and what percentage should it be? [00:26:51] I would put what happens in Washington D.C. at most, at most maybe 10%, maybe 5% of our efforts, state and local should be a huge part of that, maybe 50, 60% of it. And then the rest should be just working on the culture, working on, you know, and this is through prayer, fasting, but also just trying to convert hearts to the pro life cause. That's really the long term way that we end abortion and not only end, legalize abortion, make it so people don't want to get abortions, they don't even consider abortion as an option. [00:27:23] Donald Trump isn't going to change that and I don't think anybody thought he would. J.D. vance isn't going to change that. [00:27:28] So let's call out Trump and Vance when they're not good on this issue. But really, let's focus more on state and local issues and focus on converting hearts. Okay, so let me grab a few comments here from that. I appreciate that YouTube says pick important races and tell the Republican that pro life is not going to vote like Battered Wise Eric's podcast on lack of men as leaders in organization. Yeah, I talked about this a little while ago, a couple podcasts ago about how all the pro life organizations are run by women. And I really do think that changes the dynamics of the pro life movement. Check out that podcast if you want, if you want to hear my arguments for that. But yeah, we can't be, I mean, we can't be like the, the, the blacks are with the Democratic Party. [00:28:11] They, they, they basically just go along. They're going to vote Democrat no matter what. [00:28:15] So many of them, not all, but so many pro lifers can't do that. We can't just say, oh, we're going to vote for Republican no matter what. [00:28:21] Okay. Hey, this is from Rumble. I love it. So my Rumble livestream must be working. [00:28:27] And I have a comment from Rumble. Phoenix M31 says Melania is openly pro abortion. Yeah, that is true. Now, I don't want to hold too much against Trump how his wife feels, but the fact is, is that Melania was pushing a book that included very pro abortion sentiment. [00:28:45] And I think honestly, Trump should have told her, no, you can't publish that. This is during the campaign, if I remember correctly. No, it was after he was like, I can't remember exactly when it was, but Donald Trump should have told his wife, no, you cannot publish a book that promotes abortion. If he was really pro life, he would have done that. [00:29:01] Phoenix M31 also says, how is war the same kind of life issue as abortion when war is not intrinsically evil and abortion is also there is just war theory and not just baby killing theory in the church. Great question. I can't go super in depth on that. I love the question, though. And it is true. They're not identical. I've talked a lot here about just war theory and the truth is, is that. Whoa, my lighting just fell down. How about that? That was exciting. You know, I'll just push it off to the side here for a second. Hold on a second. [00:29:32] Crisis in the Crisis podcast. [00:29:35] There we go. Just turn it off. [00:29:39] Okay. Sorry about that. Now we're gonna have Dark Line for the rest of this. But anyway, I've talked a lot about just war theory and it is True that being involved in a war is not intrinsically evil. [00:29:51] Meaning there are cases in which a country can go to war. That's just war theory. When is it just war? [00:29:58] My argument though is that none of these military conflicts we're getting into are just and therefore they violate the just war and therefore they are intrinsically evil. That's basically what I'm arguing. And I have other podcasts. I've talked about this numerous times, so you can go back and look at them, but it's a good question. It's not that I'm not trying to say it is the same, but the fact is is that I would argue that the military conflicts that Trump has been involved in or support had America support do not satisfy just war theory and therefore they should be considered intrinsically evil and therefore they should be opposed. They are not pro life to support them. That's basically my point. [00:30:36] Okay, well, had a little technical difficulty there with the lighting. It fell down at the end. I look kind of weird now. If you want to watch it. If you're just listening, know that one side of me, I look like two faced from Batman comic books now because one side is dark and the other side is not. [00:30:49] But anyway, I appreciate everybody who was in the live chat. I am very excited that we're on Rumble now and it seems to be working. The live stream is our first time trying it so you can watch us on we live stream. By the way, we live stream on Tuesdays on at YouTube, on X, on Facebook and on Rumble and on YouTube, Rumble and Facebook. We do see your comments in the live chat. So if you come on any of those three platforms, we will see it and we can and we can bring it up on the screen. [00:31:16] X does not have that capability, but if you can watch us on any of those and so I encourage you to do that. Obviously you can also follow us on audio podcasts. I listen to audio podcasts more than I watch them and so anywhere podcasts are, you can, you can download our podcast. [00:31:29] Okay, I'm going to wrap it up there. Until next time, everybody. God love you. And remember the poor.